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Old 05-01-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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Obviously, safety and oversight should be a concern. Tons of ways to get hurt. I agree regulations are not needed for everything. Education and skill training seems far more productive to me.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Your deflecting, the parents gave a five year old a loaded gun, yes pools, bicycles and many other things cause injury but iving a 5 year old a loaded gun. Pools, bicycles at least have a sensible use for a 5 year old, guns do not.

Actually, I am not deflecting. The argument put forth was that guns endanger children's lives. They do - as do other activities. That's what I pointed out. I don't need laws to tell me that - it's clear enough already and thus, i don't have to own guns, or pit bulls, or trampolines if I am not willing to expose my kid to those risks.

The parents did NOT give the five-year old a loaded gun. They had the boy's gun in a corner and thought there was no ammunition in the gun. He, apparently, grabbed the gun when the mother went outside, and pulled the trigger. Turns out, the gun was loaded. That's negligence (and stupidity).

Alas, I fully agree that I don't see any reason to put a gun into the hands of a five-year old. I don't, you don't. Thus, we won't find ourselves in this situation.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:36 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Sure they do. You don't get arrested for leaving the stove on and your kid burning their hands. You don't get arrested if your kid falls down the stairs because you forgot to lock the baby gate.

Everybody is negligent - that's usually how accidents happen. Just like this one. Negligence is a human condition. The only alternative is to regulate every single parental behavior. Is that what you are suggesting? How would you enforce that?

You can't - you can only "punish" negligence if something goes wrong. If nothing goes wrong, you have no case.

These parents were negligent (and perhaps a bit stupid for giving a gun to a child). That's all.
Sure you can get arrested for the negligent supervision of your child. If you leave your young child alone in a bathtub and the child drowns - the parents can be arrested and charged.

When negligence causes the death of a child - parents certainly can be charged.

These parents may be charged; time will tell.

But you're right - negligence is usually only punished when something goes wrong; as it did in this case. However, if you leave your baby alone in a car - you can be charged even if the baby found to be healthy and well.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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Clearly the parents are at fault.

For not similarly arming the 2-year-old so she could protect herself.

Hey, the only defense against a bad 5-year-old with a gun is a good 2-year-old with a gun!
You've perfectly captured the logical extension of the NRA's 'solution' to reduce gun violence.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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Default gun rights vistory

Kentucky can be proud their citizens are making the 2'nd amendment real. They will buy a 5 year old his own weapon. great choices

5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky with rifle he got as a gift - The Washington Post
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Kentucky can be proud their citizens are making the 2'nd amendment real. They will buy a 5 year old his own weapon. great choices

5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky with rifle he got as a gift - The Washington Post


What's a "vistory"?
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:17 PM
 
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Kentucky can be proud their citizens are making the 2'nd amendment real. They will buy a 5 year old his own weapon. great choices

5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky with rifle he got as a gift - The Washington Post
3rd thread on the subject
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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And what a vistory it is!
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Anchorage Suburbanites and part time Willowbillies
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There are over 100 children accidentally shot to death every year, and another 3,000 or so injured.

That's a lot of kids being accidentally injured or killed by guns.
And these deaths, unlike motor vehicle deaths or something like that, are 100 % preventable. Just don't have guns around children.

And a 5-year-old might be able to hold a gun, but fine motor control, not to mention emotional control or common sense is very limited at that age. I wouldn't introduce my child to gourmet cooking and sushi knives at age 5 either, even if he or she could do it under my supervision, it's just not a good idea.

Gun and Shooting Accidents - Accidents and Tragedies
And all most all automobile crashes are preventible. That's why they are now officially called crashes. Most all trauma deaths are preventable.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Anchorage Suburbanites and part time Willowbillies
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Sorry I was away for a while and missed some of this.

I was picking up my wife and children from the shooting range.

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