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Old 11-01-2007, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Your mind
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Up to October, 1932 wasn't so bad.
Roosevelt's election? OK... you're one of those "New Deal prolonged the Depression" types, right? Most economic historians would disagree with you. Outside of that I can't argue either way, since I wasn't alive back then.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Roosevelt's election? OK... you're one of those "New Deal prolonged the Depression" types, right? Most economic historians would disagree with you. Outside of that I can't argue either way, since I wasn't alive back then.
Actually, I misspoke. I meant October, 1929.

Even Socrates nods.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:02 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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It seems that U.S. support for Hugo Chavez is growing, while its support for Bush is dropping like a ton of bricks. A major news network recently reported that numerous American celebrities and non-celebrities alike, are thowing their support behind the Venezulan leader Hugo Chavez. Apparently, his concern for the underclass, Oil to the poor programs, economic policies, and anti-Imperialism/Bush agenda is catching on in the U.S.

Any U.S. President that cannot win the appeal of his own citizens against a small time Third World dictator is really in bad shape.

Agree?

Is that the George Soros news? .....Wow what nonsense......
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:19 PM
 
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I like this guy:

Evo Morales - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:21 PM
 
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If you are one of the aristocrats of Venezuela watching your political and economic control of the country slip away then Chavez is a dictator. He is a dictator because you cannot seem to be able to defeat him in the elections or in the assembly. If you are one of the previously disenfranchised peasants getting representation in the assembly as well as water, sewers and drivable roads to your village then Chavez is a hero. If you are the middle class contractor doing the work he is also a hero.

As I am closer to peasant than prince, and have never been, am not now and never will be an aristocrat Chavez is also my hero.
Well that's interesting and deserves a comment. Certainly then you have are declaring yourself a socialist. Nothing wrong with that, just be aware that the results of a classless society is that while no one gets poor, no one gets rich, or more plainly, no one gets rewarded what they are worth. The result is the loss of individualism, some people are comfortable with that model, being told what to do, what to earn, etc. There have already been plenty of discussions here about socialism so I won't get to far off topic but lets call it by what it is. The fact that says you will never be an "aristocrat" means you have given up on bettering yourself and being rewarded for that. Fortunetly most Americans do not agree.

Chavez's particular brand of socialism has already shown some disturbing trends into the loss of freedom for an average citizen - closing down newspapers, consolidating his power, seizing private property. But that's not the worst of it for even soon the "proleteriat" will suffer. His source is oil wealth, but as everyone knows it's not a renewable resource. That and his forumula for "nationalized" business, and his tendency to support fellow tinpot dictators, has pissed off alot of his customers...defaulting on contracts, seizing foreign assets. What's going to happen to the average working man in Venzuala when the only country left that he can do business with is Iran and Cuba?

Chavez your hero? OK that's fine, as long as you realize what exactly you are cheering for. By the way, don't be fooled, solicalism has it's own aristocracy. The only difference is the government decides who will be rich, not the free market.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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It’s good that we have an opportunity like this in history compare George W with someone else like Chavez; we can start with the bar low ~ but will we ever be able to raise the bar to higher level? That’s the question I think.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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If you are one of the aristocrats of Venezuela watching your political and economic control of the country slip away then Chavez is a dictator. He is a dictator because you cannot seem to be able to defeat him in the elections or in the assembly. If you are one of the previously disenfranchised peasants getting representation in the assembly as well as water, sewers and drivable roads to your village then Chavez is a hero. If you are the middle class contractor doing the work he is also a hero.

As I am closer to peasant than prince, and have never been, am not now and never will be an aristocrat Chavez is also my hero.
Gee isn't that the same line Castro fed the poor people of Cuba when he was ousting Batista??? HMMMM are those said poor people any better off today???/
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:57 PM
 
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I could never be a Republican or have that mentality, I know what it is like to struggle, and I always look out for the little guy
And thank goodness I could never be a democratic with my hand stretched out saying what can the government do for me. Take care of me. . .
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Gee isn't that the same line Castro fed the poor people of Cuba when he was ousting Batista??? HMMMM are those said poor people any better off today???/
They think they are. That's the whole game, in a nutshell.

Plus, they've got all those cool 1950s-vintage cars to drive around in.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:06 PM
 
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They think they are. That's the whole game, in a nutshell.

Plus, they've got all those cool 1950s-vintage cars to drive around in.
And just think, in a few years Venezuala, like Cuba, can be a market for European tourists to indulge in the sex trade with an underage female for $2 a night.
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