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Old 05-01-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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I'm no gun fan but "rules are rules" is the STUPIDEST argument for anything you can use. Rules without logic and reason are way more dangerous than that gun. I learned long ago that every RULE had exceptions, that's why I'm against most of them unless they are broad and used along side human thought and logic rather than INSTEAD OF. I'm against all rules that tie anyones hands and let them say "there is nothing I can do...rules is rules". What a STUPID society we are when that becomes ok.
I agree with you about the stupidity of "rules are rules". Same excuse as "I was just following orders". No tolerence policies and mandatory sentences are just excuses for allowing stupidity and laziness to rule.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It doesn't look like he broke the rules intentionally. It looks like he was trying to obey the rules to the best of his ability. I think he should have broken the rules. Either not say anything or just skip school.
Exactly.

He could have gone back to class, drove home after school, and this wouldn't even be an issue.

Instead he tries to do the right thing and some busy-body administrator ruins his life because they ar incapable of critical thinking.

This is what liberalism has done - it has conditioned people like that faculty member to operate purely on emotion and to never reason.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:07 PM
 
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Apparently he wasn't trying hard enough...
Sometimes you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Stories like this make me glad I didn't go to public school.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I'm no gun fan but "rules are rules" is the STUPIDEST argument for anything you can use. Rules without logic and reason are way more dangerous than that gun. I learned long ago that every RULE had exceptions, that's why I'm against most of them unless they are broad and used along side human thought and logic rather than INSTEAD OF. I'm against all rules that tie anyones hands and let them say "there is nothing I can do...rules is rules". What a STUPID society we are when that becomes ok.


Not all the lefties get things wrong.

Good post.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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Exactly.

He could have gone back to class, drove home after school, and this wouldn't even be an issue.

Instead he tries to do the right thing and some busy-body administrator ruins his life because they ar incapable of critical thinking.
Why even go inside the school? The "right thing" would have been to drive home, ditch the gun, then come back.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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He didn't intentionally break a rule.

As soon as he realized that he had brought the weapon to school, he took steps to have weapon removed from school grounds, in accordance with the school policy.

He should be lauded for his honesty - not branded a felon for a slip of the mind.

Have you never forgot something?

Should you have your life ruined because some whacked out school administrator and DA don't use their brains?
I have forgotten things. Heck, I've gone to the shooting range and have forgotten my gun. I had to pay the consequences which involved shelling out $$ to rent a gun. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone deals with the consequences.

Even breaking a stupid rule can lead to consequences. Apparently this student didn't think it was stupid, however.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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I don't get the cocaine and marijuana references.

Cocaine, pot, and an unloaded and secured firearm are all harmless things and having any of those items in a vehicle on school property should not be grounds for expulsion.

Defending my culture?

What does that mean?
It does beg the question, if cops cant search your vehicles without a warrant, then how can the school go after an individual for having items in their car trunk without permission?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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I don't get the cocaine and marijuana references.

Cocaine, pot, and an unloaded and secured firearm are all harmless things and having any of those items in a vehicle on school property should not be grounds for expulsion.

Defending my culture?

What does that mean?
I am saying are you looking at the situation from your perspective exclusively. Are we to base our judgements on the outcome of an illegal act, or the performance of that illegal act. I agree with you that none of those things are grounds for expulsion, most do. I meant the drug reference as a contrasting but still contraband thing on school grounds.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Why even go inside the school? The "right thing" would have been to drive home, ditch the gun, then come back.
Ah, so it is OK to willfully break one rule(skipping school) but not alright to attempt to rectify an accidental violation of policy by dealing with the matter in a manner that does not come into conflict with further rules?

Are you serious?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:11 PM
 
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It does beg the question, if cops cant search your vehicles without a warrant, then how can the school go after an individual for having items in their car trunk without permission?
They can absolutely search your property without warrant on government property.
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