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Old 05-03-2013, 09:34 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Oh no you didn't. The HERITAGE FOUNDATION? You're using that bastion of neo-con, right wing extremist ideology as a source of anything? lol Please spare us that right wing trash. Can't you ever come up with some neutral sources? A university? A newspaper? But Heritage Foundation? Come on now, really?
I know, right? But this extremely right wing source says that Canada is more free than the United States! So shouldn't that be the case then? Even right wingers can't deny it!
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:59 PM
 
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The problem with you, BruSan, is that you don't understand Americans.

We are the JINGOIST STATES OF AMERICA. We wear lapel flag pins, weep at the Star Spangled Banner, and have a whole set of mythological beliefs we attach to the U.S. For example, that this is the best country in the world, that only here can people get rich, that this place is so f good that anyone who doesn't become a millionaire just doesn't feel like it, that all technology, medical advances, and everything good originated here and nowhere else, that we are the ideal pattern for the rest of the world, that we owe it to other countries to force them to become like us, and that anyone who notices how well people in other countries are living is just one huge Commie.
Yeah I know! I have trouble getting my head around the concept that someone from a country that purports to value freedom so highly, would not understand how an old phart Canadian like me would take umbrage at the mere suggestion we might be less free due to laws we democratically enact.

We desire a certain code of behaviour from our citizens and as we too are a nation founded and nurtured through immigration, we felt the necessity to enact a law that would prevent a repeat of history as witnessed adjunctive to WWII.

If my limited memory serves, the laws have been used sparingly with the example of Ernst Zundel coming to mind. An Alberta school teacher who was teaching his students that the holocaust was a Jewish conspiracy and they were the root of all evil. It resulted in his deportation back to Germany.

****On Edit**** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

Of particular note in this Wiki link is halfway down the page under "Trials in 1980's"

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:42 PM
 
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A pretty self-explanatory thread. This was inspired by my fiancee, who is a Canadian citizen. We were discussing the political views of many American conservatives and she mentioned that many may feel that Canadians exchange their "freedoms". What do you think?
What do Canadian conservatives think? I know a former Canadian, now a US citizen, conservative. He chose the US because he finds it freer, more opportunities and better quality of life. If healthcare is all ya got, well that's sad. Most people want more out of life than healthcare and frigid climate.

Unlike the US, Canada has nothing the majority of the rest of the world covets or envies. Practically everyone wants to come here to get a piece of it (even Canadians). If Canada is freer, then the rest of the world is wrong? Doubtful don't you think?
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Unlike the US, Canada has nothing the majority of the rest of the world covets or envies.
You're absolutely right. Nobody covets or wants our oil, our gold, our diamonds, our lumber and endless natural resources. Who needs 'em?
Do you have any idea how long the waiting list is to get into Canada? Of course you don't. Everyone is just panting to get into the US, because America is Number One!!
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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What do Canadian conservatives think? I know a former Canadian, now a US citizen, conservative. He chose the US because he finds it freer, more opportunities and better quality of life. If healthcare is all ya got, well that's sad. Most people want more out of life than healthcare and frigid climate.

Unlike the US, Canada has nothing the majority of the rest of the world covets or envies. Practically everyone wants to come here to get a piece of it (even Canadians). If Canada is freer, then the rest of the world is wrong? Doubtful don't you think?
I would not say that. They have oil and minerals and they have all those seals they club in the head for fur to sell to rich Americans. And they have lots of water which the SW USA would love to have. Oh and maple syrup!
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:59 AM
 
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You're absolutely right. Nobody covets or wants our oil, our gold, our diamonds, our lumber and endless natural resources. Who needs 'em?
Do you have any idea how long the waiting list is to get into Canada? Of course you don't. Everyone is just panting to get into the US, because America is Number One!!
I agree with you on most of that but, while there are maybe many people who wish to enter Canada, most of them would make the USA as their first choice if they could get into the USA. Canada is a good 2nd choice to immigrate to and even then, it is often a stepping stone only for people wishing to enter the USA. I know that Canada has trained more USA nurses than even the Phillipines did. My sister is an RN and she says about 1/4th of the other RNs at Northwestern Memorial are from Canada.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Nasty? Say what? Nasty is when two kids in a schoolyard are calling each other names, we outgrow that tendency prior to puberty up here.

Preaching hatred and advocating violence towards a recognizable minority or any other group or individual isn't just individually determined as "nasty" but unlawful or don't you get the distinction?

Your night riders (KKK) of old were a prime example of the types of thing our "hate laws" were created to prevent.

We do not want some self ordained nutball standing on a soapbox exhorting his like minded retarded cohorts to assemble and burn crosses or hang people HE thinks are unacceptable human specimens.

Our recognizable minorities and "at risk" individuals have the "freedom" to not worry about the Church of Westboro turning up and burning a cross on their front lawn. That's REAL and tangible freedom, not some ethereal thing you saw written on paper somewhere.

We will sacrifice the ability to spout insane, idiotic, retarded, vituperative garbage towards each other to achieve a more harmonious existence free from the spectre of being singled out for vilification without recourse or support. You can carry on with whatever floats your boat in your human interactions with each other. It's obviously worked so well for you so far.
Wow!

Why do you post such hate? Did you have a bad day?
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Oh no you didn't. The HERITAGE FOUNDATION? You're using that bastion of neo-con, right wing extremist ideology as a source of anything? lol Please spare us that right wing trash. Can't you ever come up with some neutral sources? A university? A newspaper? But Heritage Foundation? Come on now, really?
Your usual response when you cannot refute the information is to denigrate the source. You are behaving as expected.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:05 AM
 
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What do Canadian conservatives think? I know a former Canadian, now a US citizen, conservative. He chose the US because he finds it freer, more opportunities and better quality of life. If healthcare is all ya got, well that's sad. Most people want more out of life than healthcare and frigid climate.

Unlike the US, Canada has nothing the majority of the rest of the world covets or envies. Practically everyone wants to come here to get a piece of it (even Canadians). If Canada is freer, then the rest of the world is wrong? Doubtful don't you think?
You might want to consider doing a simple google search before jumping on any thread regarding Canada in the future as we have taken in more immigrants than you have on a per-capita basis for some time now.

Yahoo! News Canada - Latest News & Headlines

It would seem then; to use your rather idiotic surmisal in rebuttal, that the rest of the world has decided Canada is more free because we're taking in more than you are.

Then there is this little conundrum for you:

Yahoo! News Canada - Latest News & Headlines

Oh my! Those figures show more Americans moving north than Canadians moving south. Now that's gotta hurt!

You now have more Americans seeking work outside your country than ever before in your history. Should that little factoid be used to gauge just how Americans really feel about their country ~ of course NOT!

You should realize making that leap to deciding a country is free'er based on folks emigrating in a desire to find gainful employment is rather a silly notion, wouldn't you agree?

Now as to Canada not having anything other countries covet or envy; again based solely on your silly inane surmisal, if, once again you've made that assessment based on immigration alone, it would follow that we have MORE to covet or envy due to us taking in more immigrants, yes, even Americans, on a per-capita basis than yourselves.

Please refrain from posting silly stuff like this, it simply serves to highlight your falling education stats.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Not only are people in Canada not less free in any measurable way, but neither are people in any other first-world nation in Europe or Asia, for that matter.

They can all pursue work and careers as they like.
Not true at all. There are huge differences among these countries with regard to starting a business.

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They can all express any opinion they like without government imprisonment.
Not true in Canada.

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They can all gain access to a set of rights and trial if they get in trouble.
Not true in the USA. In fact, Obama says he has the right to execute any American Citizen in the USA that he decides is a terrorist.
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