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Old 05-07-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I would hate to live in a country where everyone agreed and had the same political opinions.
We're happy. Not a whole lot to disagree about. If you thrive on conflict, you're in the right place.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Why are you asking Americans if they think Canada is free? Why not ask Canadians? I hear they have the internet too.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Healthcare and health insurance are not the same thing. Cost of health care in the United States is cheaper than in Canada.
Got anything to back that up?
You may want to take a gander at this. It will blow your socks off.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...are-ludicrous/
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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I explained my position. Explain yours. Tell us all why you went back to Canada .

While you are at it tell us how there are no more freedoms in the US or lower taxes or anything else.

Cmon, level with us. Did you honestly live in the United States when you were making good money or was it just on the college campus?

What are the income tax rates in Canada?

Tax Brackets (Federal Income Tax Rates) 2000 through 2013


Taxation rates being just one part of your question relatively easy to answer. The freedom thingy being a bit more complex but I'll give it a shot:

Aside from your more obvious Rights and Freedoms abrogating laws such as the Patriot Act which should put the freedom thing to rest for once and all it would seem that freedom of speech getting the biggest bunch of malarkey spread around.

I picked our most notable, and strangely the only case I could find, using our hate speech laws and you'll note by reading the Wiki link that this azz hat was arrested and deported by U. S. authorities back to Canada. Whereupon he, not having Canadian citizenship was ultimately deported back to his home country of Germany

Ernst Zündel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


He was tried and convicted in Canada but that conviction was later overturned by our Supreme Court who claimed the conviction was in conflict with our Charter of Rights and Freedoms ~ imagine that?

The proposition that Canadians are less free to speak their mind from either active prosecution OR the mere fear of prosecution would seem on the face of all evidence to the contrary, to be pure bullcrap! Now; would that put paid to the nonsense that we are legislatedly LESS free than the U.S.?

Last time I looked we can still buy a super, duper, King size Soda up here although few people actually desire to.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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There is debate here as well but it isn't into an endless abyss of indecision that infringes on the rights of others. It is not the case for everything in the U.S and yes, the country isn't an oppressive totalitarian state but I do think in practic it isn't the bastion of social equality that Canada or most European countries tend to be

I find Canadians and Europeans are typically more accepting of diversity and less tinged by a large section of the population that allows their religious views to sway public policy... might I say cherry picked religiousity.

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And that's a good thing. That's freedom. Debate is a very productive exercise.

I would hate to live in a country where everyone agreed and had the same political opinions.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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As a gay male I've had the freedom to marry for years.... additionally, Gays have been able to serve in the military for far longer.. In this regard I'd say Canada has upheld the notion of social equality and freedom longer than the U.S.. even the issue of slavery works in our favour...Underground railroad anyone? At the end of the day - i'd say practice rules over theory.
Then you're probably familiar with The Glad Day Bookshop in Toronto.

In the early 1980s, radical feminists in The United States were attempting to find a way to ban pornographic materials they found to be offensive. They attempted to rewrite civil rights ordinances in several US cities, most notably Minneapolis. They finally found a city to enact their laws (Indianapolis, one of the most conservative big cities in the country). However, they kept running-up against that pesky First Amendment, and the Indianapolis ordinance was declared unconstitutional (United States Supreme Court, American Booksellers v. Hudnut).

So they decided to export their censorship efforts north of the US border. They knew that The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, was less vigorous than the analogous US First Amendment. Canada quickly enacted pornography censorship legislation based largely upon the structure of the legislation that radical feminists attempted to pursue in The United States (Supreme Court of Canada, R. v. Butler).

This new anti-porn law was first used in 1993, when Glad Day Bookshop was found guilty of violating Canadian law by selling a lesbian magazine entitled Bad Attitude. Here is that court decision:

Bad Attitude decision
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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We no longer pay attention to gay rights in Canada anymore because we don't have to... they are here by default now. Once they are finally in all your States than you'll find gay rights will no longer be front and centre of debate because they are also there by default... time to move along with freedom and equality isn't it?

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The world does not revolve around gay rights. Freedom is not defined by gay rights. There are hundreds of other issues that are of equal or more importance.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Lol seriously who cares. Go to Queens Park - the park grounds of the Provincial legislature for Ontario and go up against a tree at 2 am in the morning and then we'll talk about freedom!

We tend to pick matters that are important and force our government to follow through with progress...often times getting big bang for our buck - social matters are one of those areas hence we are a socially progressive country not bogged down in endless discussion.. moving along...

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Then you're probably familiar with The Glad Day Bookshop in Toronto.

In the early 1980s, radical feminists in The United States were attempting to find a way to ban pornographic materials they found to be offensive. They attempted to rewrite civil rights ordinances in several US cities, most notably Minneapolis. They finally found a city to enact their laws (Indianapolis, one of the most conservative big cities in the country). However, they kept running-up against that pesky First Amendment, and the Indianapolis ordinance was declared unconstitutional (United States Supreme Court, American Booksellers v. Hudnut).

So they decided to export their censorship efforts north of the US border. They knew that The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, was less vigorous than the analogous US First Amendment. Canada quickly enacted pornography censorship legislation based largely upon the structure of the legislation that radical feminists attempted to pursue in The United States (Supreme Court of Canada, R. v. Butler).

This new anti-porn law was first used in 1993, when Glad Day Bookshop was found guilty of violating Canadian law by selling a lesbian magazine entitled Bad Attitude. Here is that court decision:

Bad Attitude decision

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Old 05-07-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Lol seriously who cares. Go to Queens Park - the park grounds of the Provincial legislature for Ontario and go up against a tree at 2 am in the morning and then we'll talk about freedom!
"go up against a tree"---WTF ??

Is this some type of Canadian idiom?
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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lol one day - when you do this you will understand.. but I can assure you, you will laugh and agree that you are in the epitome of a state that is true north, strong and free.

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"go up against a tree"---WTF ??

Is this some type of Canadian idiom?
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