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Old 05-06-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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They can't and don't remove children from homes for any reason. Child abuse and neglect are still rampant in our country. I'm glad that the state can step in and protect these innocent children.
Actually, they can and they do, often! In California there have been several cases that they have removed children because of homeschooling. Even though homeschooling is technically legal in the state, they still took children away from the parents because of "truancy" stating "educational abuse" as the reason. It was completely and totaly unfounded, but the kids were taken away for more than a year from their parents.

Children have been taken away from good, loving, wonderful parents for all sorts of reasons. So don't be blind about this issue, it happens ALL THE TIME!
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Yes, but if they hire less teachers, this means that perhaps jobs that have been very, very secure in past decades are now fairly tenuous. This can't help but shake up the status quo. It is threatening to the Teacher's union and to individual teachers that so many of us are opting out of the system. But, my contention is that a school system should not exist primarily to employ teachers, but to educate children.
That's the thing, they don't hire less teachers, because they can't. In most school systems, they can't just let go of teachers, they have contracts with the unions, and they have to keep the teachers on, especially those with tenure. If they have to just sit around doing nothing, they still have to keep them on, even if they've been suspended for misconduct or something, they are still paid! THAT's why they need all the kids they can get in the schools. It's a crazy system and it doesn't work for any child at all! Those who acheive do so in spite of the system, not because it allows them to thrive and learn!
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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You should learn about it before accepting the stereotype as fact.

And I would challenge that stereotype, anyway. Besides school, where/when in life is one forced to sit in a room with 20-30 people exactly the same age for 7 hours per day, where it's against the rules to communicate with them except for a few minutes at a time every 50 minutes or during two short breaks? Most homeschooled kids receive much more "real life" interaction with people of all ages than their public schooled peers, because they're actually out in the real world with their parents, interacting with people of all age groups.

That said, every homeschool situation is different. There are a few that fit that classic stereotype of religious shut-ins, but they are becoming increasingly rare. Homeschooling is the evolution of education, and some people just can't accept that fact - particularly those whose livelihood depends on every possible head being counted in the classroom, every day.

Here in Nevada, we have one of the worst public school systems in the country. Because of that, many parents who would have never considered homeschooling are looking at it, and a lot are doing it. If the parents can't or don't want to create their own syllabus, they can enroll their kids in fully accredited public charter schools that are completely online. There are also some that are mostly online, but the kids have to attend the physical classroom once per week or so.

There are a lot of options for homeschoolers these days, and it's becoming a popular option and gaining mainstream acceptance. Don't let certain people that do nothing but incessantly screech about how evil it is without backing up their claims sway you. If you're genuinely curious, research the movement on your own. You just might be surprised - and impressed - with what you find.

Sounds like you're describing the public school system...

You're right - the world isn't that. The world is... the world, which is what homeschooled kids are seeing and experiencing while their public school peers are locked in a classroom with 30 kids exactly their age, which is also something you never see in the real world.
You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. If you want to stereotype and generalize public schools as places where they lock up kids than fine.

I have no problem with homeschooling, but I will still contend it does not prepare one as well socially. I think parents should decide what is best for their children. However, I just have to chuckle at those who deride the public schools for their "propaganda" when parents just want to instill their own personal propaganda.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The Heartland Institute is an extremely biased source. Do you have any Teacher Union documents or spokespeople who have openly opposed homeschooling?

I know how many people homeschool. The numbers are insignificant and would not affect the public school system in any measurable way. It's not worth teachers' time to think about it.
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the number of primary school kids whose parents choose to forgo traditional education is growing seven times faster than the number of kids enrolling in K-12 every year.
yea, that's truly insignificant.

If it actually wasn't worth teachers and administrators time thinking about homeschoolers, then they wouldn't be thinking about them. They wouldn't be fighting against them at every step of the way. So, why DO they work so hard to make it harder to homeschool our children? Because it's NOT insignificant, because we ARE doing better, as a whole group, than any other group of children. Our children score higher, get better education, go to better colleges and universities, don't have trouble adjusting to the real world like most millenials do now. So we're not only causing them financial problems, we're recruiting more just by exisiting and proving that we are doing it better at home, than any public OR private school could!

If you're a homeschooler, than you should know all of this already! You shouldn't be so blind to the realities of why so many people fight so hard to keep us from being able to homeschool. Here in NV homeschooling is highly regarded, and we still have problems with teachers unions trying to force us to stop or be more regulated.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Homeschooling is silly. Public schools teach one how to interact with people in the real world. In the real world being charming or having a good golf swing can be more important than being the smartest person in the room.
Yes, because in the "real world" you are only exposed to people of the same age and geographical area. I know that is ALL I ever deal with on a daily basis.

Homeschoolers are actually exposed to the real world from day one. They are not imprisoned in a small room with children the same age from the same neighborhood. They are exposed and socialize with people throughout their community of all ages, races, religions and cultures. They go to businesses during the day and see people in their regular daily life and actually communicate ON THEIR OWN with these people! I know, it's a strange concept for anyone who was sent to prison... err traditional schools, but kids CAN ask their own thought up questions, and talk to people who aren't their "peers". THAT is why homeschoolers are much better prepared for the real world, because they've already been living in it and navigating in it... there is no NEED for adjustments, because it's natural for them.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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I don't believe you. Flat out. I think that as a former public school teacher, you've been conditioned to reject homeschooling out of hand, and to ostracize anybody even thinking about taking on the role that you've been told is reserved just for super-special little ol' you.
I am a former public school teacher, as are many of my friends. None of us reject homeschooling. We all know that different styles of learning require different modes of instruction. Two of my nieces home school their children and the kids seem to be doing just fine.

Home schooling parents do all teachers a favor by keeping their children at home - no teacher wants to work with a child whose parents do not support (or actively undermine) the teacher's/school's efforts.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I am a former public school teacher, as are many of my friends. None of us reject homeschooling. We all know that different styles of learning require different modes of instruction. Two of my nieces home school their children and the kids seem to be doing just fine.

Home schooling parents do all teachers a favor by keeping their children at home - no teacher wants to work with a child whose parents do not support (or actively undermine) the teacher's/school's efforts.
Although this is starting to become less rare than it used to be, it is still NOT the norm. Most public school teachers are more like Saritas and have an absolutely irrational hatred of homeschoolers, even though they have never actually encountered them. Some have no opinion at all.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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Although this is starting to become less rare than it used to be, it is still NOT the norm. Most public school teachers are more like Saritas and have an absolutely irrational hatred of homeschoolers, even though they have never actually encountered them. Some have no opinion at all.
Prove it. Show us some verifiable stats to support your statement.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Yea.... hiding your kid from the world is the answer. It maybe hard to imagine but even kids at bad schools can succeed with good parents.

Simply, homeschooling isn't a place to get real world experience no matter how you cut it. The world isn't some organized place, with good intentions, and all it takes is a good is a good attitude and smarts to succeed place.
Do you have kids? What is your real world experience with kids of school age?

You seem to think school is the ONLY place people can develop social skills. It is a potentially very good place. Or something else.

I didn't homeschool my kids. I was very happy with my kids' public schools. And I am a product of public schools.

But good parents cannot erase the 7 hours a day their kids spend away from home in the school. If my kids were supposed to attend Yates high school in Houston I would move (first choice), private school (next choice if I could afford it), or I would home school. I see very little positive about my children sitting in class with a 1/3 absentee rate every day.

Some home schooled kids I know are slightly weird, just like their parents. Others are perfectly normal. But I also know plenty of strange kids attending public schools. Home schooling does not equal isolation. The parents I know that home school their kids are highly motivated to keep their kids active outside of learning. That's why these kids do a wide variety of sports, music, etc..
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:57 PM
 
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“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.” – Aldous Huxley –
This is a brilliant quote, and so fitting for this discussion. I believe this is exactly where we are headed in this society.
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