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Old 05-03-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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After they stuffed a once Democrat, with Progressive values, in front of the Republicans in 2008 and said vote for this guy...... the Republican party has had a battle from within.

The people that are the voters saw it first hand. 2010 Mid Terms happened...... Outted in many primaries, the Republican party started to cull the Good `ol Boys, with the voice of the peoples vote.

Then the they did it again with a self admitted and I quote, " I'm a PROGRESSIVE Republican, and more good `ol Boys didn't make it past the primaries.

2012 saw many States turn GOP offices, to a more Constitutional view of the office, putting the career GOP hacks in the states, out to pasture.


We have always wondered, why we always got the same thing, no matter which party held the control.
Both party's evolved into the same thing... Progressive, with the Constitution standing in the way of their grand plans for a One World Order.


Now we have those standing up for the Constitution, the very chains the founders of this nation placed on the federal government so WE THE PEOPLE remained free with Liberty for ALL, gaining ground within the party that once stood for individual freedom. The blowback from the Progressives in both parties is telling us we are on the right track.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:10 AM
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Location: Florida
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I doubt that the right-wing religious reactionaries are going to stand for being marginalized in what they feel is "their own party". I predict that the GOP will remain the home of both egoistic avarice and superstitious dogmatism for many years to come.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I doubt that the right-wing religious reactionaries are going to stand for being marginalized in what they feel is "their own party". I predict that the GOP will remain the home of both egoistic avarice and superstitious dogmatism for many years to come.

If you have doubt, how can we possibly have a passion for, real liberty for all?
Do we not wish everyone had all their god given liberties back, that have slowly been taken to serve the Government? Hell, the government is suppose to serve me.

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:39 AM
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Location: Florida
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Hell, the government is suppose to serve us.
Government is serving us.

It isn't serving you.

Don't cry about it. It's unseemly.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Government is serving us.

It isn't serving you.

Don't cry about it. It's unseemly.


The Progressive side speaks. I understand the position of the collective.

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Old 05-03-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What is a position of the collection?-- oh- wait; I see you changed the word to 'collective'. So what is a position in the collective? What collective are you talking about? The only one I'm familiar with is the local farmer's co-op I like to buy my truck tires from. I know there's a local book collective, but I've never visited that store.


Bent- watch your commas, bro. You scattered so many in there that it is very hard to understand what you're trying to say.
Are you saying 'the good old boys', whoever they are, are not as conservative as the new old boys?
Or are you trying to say the Constitutionalists are going to be more pure in soul and un-corruptible than the mainstream members of both parties? if that's the point of your scramble, I don't think so. Newbies to government are always the first with their hands out- they always have big election bills to pay off.

I live in a state chock full of Libertarians, and not a single one of them has been elected to any state position. Half of the ones I know still lean Democratic. After 30 years of fringe, the Libertarian Party is still just as fringy as it was in the 70's when it first began. Not to worry, though. You can count on a very solid 2% of the vote in every election. That 2% sure gives me a bad case of the night sweats.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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After they stuffed a once Democrat, with Progressive values, in front of the Republicans in 2008 and said vote for this guy...... the Republican party has had a battle from within.

The people that are the voters saw it first hand. 2010 Mid Terms happened...... Outted in many primaries, the Republican party started to cull the Good `ol Boys, with the voice of the peoples vote.

Then the they did it again with a self admitted and I quote, " I'm a PROGRESSIVE Republican, and more good `ol Boys didn't make it past the primaries.

2012 saw many States turn GOP offices, to a more Constitutional view of the office, putting the career GOP hacks in the states, out to pasture.


We have always wondered, why we always got the same thing, no matter which party held the control.
Both party's evolved into the same thing... Progressive, with the Constitution standing in the way of their grand plans for a One World Order.


Now we have those standing up for the Constitution, the very chains the founders of this nation placed on the federal government so WE THE PEOPLE remained free with Liberty for ALL, gaining ground within the party that once stood for individual freedom. The blowback from the Progressives in both parties is telling us we are on the right track.
That's all well and good, but the reality is the pursuit of ideological purity and "Constitutional views" is that every candidate now falls prey to the No True Scotsman fallacy. One person's definition of what a Constituional view is is not going to be the same as another's, and what constitutes a libertarian these days could range from an anarcho-capitalist, to a pie in the sky Randian, to the most liberal lib to ever lib a lib.

Libertarians would probably affect more change in the Democratic Party since there's no insistence on ideological purity, and a lot more openness to social freedoms. But for some reason they've thrown their lot in with the party of ultra wealthy and the theocratic. Which makes me think that the basis of many self-professed libertarians is financial greed, lack of empathy and dislike of "the other" instead of actual liberty.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I doubt that the right-wing religious reactionaries are going to stand for being marginalized in what they feel is "their own party". I predict that the GOP will remain the home of both egoistic avarice and superstitious dogmatism for many years to come.
Good point. And I wouldn't bet against you.
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Capital Hill
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Well, all I can say is Ron Paul is a libertarian, he was on the presidential ticket for the Libertarian Party, and he didn't get very far with the Republican Party. They always figured he was a little bit kooky. His son seems to have more smarts then his dad.
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Well, all I can say is Ron Paul is a libertarian, he was on the presidential ticket for the Libertarian Party, and he didn't get very far with the Republican Party. They always figured he was a little bit kooky. His son seems to have more smarts then his dad.
A most accurate and reasonable assessment of this nonsense. I'm sure most of us agree with you.
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