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Old 05-03-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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The Canaanites were the predecessors of the Israelites who emerged from Canaanite society. There is no archaeological evidence to support the biblical account of an invasion.
You're right, my bad.

In fact, much of Judaen dogma derived from Canaanite predecessors.

 
Old 05-03-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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The 'motto' that you ascribe to Islam 'what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine' is of course fiction. The muslim 'connection' to Abraham is via Ishmael, and while the term 'arab' means different things to different people, it generally refers to the descendants of Ishmael, and of course since Hagar lived centuries before Muhammed, there is no way that she could have been a muslim.
Since Ishmael was actually conceived without the blessing of God.....wonder what that makes the line of Ishmael?
 
Old 05-03-2013, 03:49 PM
 
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You're right, my bad.

In fact, much of Judaen dogma derived from Canaanite predecessors.
Jews were the first to make ethical monotheism the foundation of their belief system, although, many early Israelites worshipped Canaanite gods such as Baal.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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Since Ishmael was actually conceived without the blessing of God.....wonder what that makes the line of Ishmael?
God had his covenant with Isaac. Ishmael was sent packing. He was not an Arab although Arabs try to say otherwise
 
Old 05-03-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I shouldnt have to cite common knowledge.


From Wikipedia:

Conservatism is defined as a political and social philosophy that promotes traditional social values and institutions.

Please point out where hadcore Sharia advocates do not fit in that definition.

Can you even give an example of how their philosophy compares to that of a liberal?
Sorry but the Wikipedia entry is just wrong. According to my friend who has kids in high school, they are specifically forbidden from citing Wikipedia as a source.

If you use the literal definition of conservatism as opposing change, then Reagan was not a conservative, since he came into office with an agenda calling for fairly dramatic change.

As used in common parlance, generally conservatism is individualism, and liberalism is collectivism. If anything, liberals have more in common with 'hadcore Sharia advocates,' because both the liberals and the Sharia law advocates are collectivist variants.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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The 'motto' that you ascribe to Islam 'what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine' is of course fiction. The muslim 'connection' to Abraham is via Ishmael, and while the term 'arab' means different things to different people, it generally refers to the descendants of Ishmael, and of course since Hagar lived centuries before Muhammed, there is no way that she could have been a muslim.
You really don't know what you're talking about.

Islam appropriated the Jewish Patriarchs and Prophets and Kings and Christian figures and made them Muslims in the Koran, although Islam never even existed at the time. Islamic theology teaches that the Jewish Bible and Christian Gospels were really originally Islamic scriptures but the Jews and Christians conspired to alter the text and forge fabricated Bibles, necessitating the "correct" version of the koran. Thus, Islam also tries to steal Judaism and Christianity.

Islam also tries to steal the historical Jewish and Christian link to Jerusalem, although Mecca and Medina are the holy cities of Islam.

The history of Muslims converting Christian churches to mosques is well-documented, such as what happened to the Hagia Sophia, which was the greatest Christian church for 1000 years before Muslims converted it into a mosque.

And, they built the dome of the rock and al aqsa mosque on the [Jewish] Temple Mount where Solomon's Temple once stood as an indication of muslim conquest of an ancestral Jewish landmark

Islam: What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine
 
Old 05-03-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Why are wives and daughters traded for herds of goats or sheep in middle eastern countries?
Because screwing sheep and goats gets old after awhile. Not that i would know from personal experience.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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Sorry but the Wikipedia entry is just wrong. According to my friend who has kids in high school, they are specifically forbidden from citing Wikipedia as a source.

If you use the literal definition of conservatism as opposing change, then Reagan was not a conservative, since he came into office with an agenda calling for fairly dramatic change.

As used in common parlance, generally conservatism is individualism, and liberalism is collectivism. If anything, liberals have more in common with 'hadcore Sharia advocates,' because both the liberals and the Sharia law advocates are collectivist variants.
I see what youre saying, but I think traditional religious values is a better determining factor for a comparison, since it explicitly dictates how one lives their life, and expect others to live theirs.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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So?

That doesnt change the fact that fundamentalist Islamists are right wing conservatives.
The ignorance is strong with this one.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Since Ishmael was actually conceived without the blessing of God.....wonder what that makes the line of Ishmael?
Wait just a second! Ishmael was the narrator of the events on the Pequod, that other mythical story.
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