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Old 05-06-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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Because this wasn't a formal sex education class. Those classes clearly add value.

This was teachers and administration trying to be hip and cool. The school board is already retreating as more info hits the press.

There was no approved or reviewed curriculum. Having college students was a mistake.
The people who thought this was a good idea need to have the screws put to them.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Education consists of education - not fulfilling some weird social agenda concerning the conditioning of youth regarding sex in all it's forms. How did these instructors manage to get them selves into these positions where they have this kind of power to shape young minds into what THEY want?
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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Because this wasn't a formal sex education class. Those classes clearly add value.

This was teachers and administration trying to be hip and cool. The school board is already retreating as more info hits the press.

There was no approved or reviewed curriculum. Having college students was a mistake.

This was an administration fulfilling the directives of New Jersey curriculum requirements under that state's "Dignity for All Students" Act.


Again: What part do you have REALLY beef with? The part where they teach kids to avoid unwelcome sexual advances, or the fact they broke the class up by sex to provide girls and boys separate work groups?

I see no problem with either.


If teachers and administrators are "retreating" its because they feel pressured by the masses of ignorant parents. They often have to bend to the will of parents, many of whom are themselves are emotional messes who lack education and critical thinking skills.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Work in NYC - Live in Philly - Transplant from Miami
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I agree that school should teach tolerance and respect others, such as LGBTs.
However, if the school force the two girls to kiss each others in front of the class (I am not reading the article btw), then it is wrong. WRONG WRONG!

But it seems to me that the bigots here try to pull every single string to adjust their agenda and validate that statement that "the gays are out and about to make our kids gay" to hide their own bigotry / hate toward gay people.
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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The idiocy of the self proclaimed "sexual morality police" in America continues.


Throughout elementary school we had DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education), and Anti-Smoking seminars on a fairly regular basis. An officer would come in, and teach us all about drugs and smoking.


Part of the exercises often included students role-playing: Drug dealer/student, or Smoker/Not Smoker.

One kid would pretend to try to get another to smoke, and the other kid had to come up with ways to "just say no."

For example one that I still remember to this day was a strategy to use "humor" --- respond to smoke-offerer by saying, "No thanks, I'm not a chimney, I don't smoke."




So fast forward... geez... 20 years and the same is now being done in the context of avoiding sexual harassment, and the morality ninnies are predictably clutching their pearls.

I actually don't get the problem? Seems to me the social conservatives should be APPLAUDING teaching their kids how to "just say no" to unwanted lesbian advances, no?
nice try...they are not roll playing when the teacher is deliberately creating a sexual environment which includes all the properties and emotion of the activity.

With the drugs, are the students taking puffs of pot..?

no

the teachers by encouraging and asking that these behav "take place physically" are also in an active roll themselves, and getting off emotionally or even other. They themselves are engineering, thats participation in the highest form.

if teachers can explain why not to take pot and all other things which are unhealthy then how come they need to introduce the children to ....real behavior with what can be nothing but a contradictory mating reality ?

If this was neighborhood adults with the youngster's on the street while the parents were at work
they would be automatically charged.

THEREFORE WE KNOW THE TEACHERS AND SUPT BROKE THE LAW

the teachers and supt need to show, there is no other way to teach this WITHOUT...

BREAKING THE LAW...and that an emergent occasion or situation extended a decision to ..break the law.

so far per page 24...post 231 demand

there is not one workable post in this whole thread as to why, these Supt and teachers should not be charged , and thrown into jail why...because as we see they broke the law. I could easily get a guilt verdict and I'm not even an L
So far there is no case in defence .
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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"That the class was based on." That does not mean that the class follows word for word what is written.

The school super, and the leader of the group who did the workshop said that they were practicing saying no to unwanted advances.
wrong
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/a...-edge-Red-Hook
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"Paul Finch, superintendent of the Red Hook Central School District, told the Journal that the workshop focused on improving culture, relationships, communication and self-perceptions. These are issues schools are obligated to address under New York’s Dignity for All Students Act, he noted. Future workshops of a similar nature “may require more notification to parents,” he said."
now read the Dignity for All Students Act.
There in nothing in there that can even imply to teach, practicing saying no to unwanted advances
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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nice try...they are not roll playing when the teacher is deliberately creating a sexual environment which includes all the properties and emotion of the activity.

With the drugs, are the students taking puffs of pot..?

no

For Chrissakes lady, the kids did not KISS in the class!


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the teachers by encouraging and asking that these behav "take place physically" are also in an active roll themselves, and getting off emotionally or even other. They themselves are engineering, thats participation in the highest form.
It is absolutely no different than pretending to deal drugs to your classmate so that they can rebuff your advances.

Obviously one girl who had a dummy for a mom felt uncomfortable, and the mom made an issue about it. I think the dummy-mom correlation is the real problem here.


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if teachers can explain why not to take pot and all other things which are unhealthy then how come they need to introduce the children to ....real behavior with what can be nothing but a contradictory mating reality ?
What part of the story are you missing? How about the part that the exercise was done in the context of breaking the class up by GENDERS, so that ALL role playing on rebuffing would necessarily have to be "same sex," regardless of the context?

If you have an all-female self defense class, with a female instructor.... guess what? You're STILL going to have a woman role-playing the part of the aggressor and getting kicked in the imaginary balls for it!



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Originally Posted by Stargazzer
If this was neighborhood adults with the youngster's on the street while the parents were at work
they would be automatically charged.

THEREFORE WE KNOW THE TEACHERS AND SUPT BROKE THE LAW

the teachers and supt need to show, there is no other way to teach this WITHOUT...

BREAKING THE LAW

so far per page 24...post 231 demand

there is not one workable post in this whole thread as to why, these Supt and teachers should not be charged , and thrown into jail...why...because as you see ...they broke the law.

Jesus H. Christ, you are absolutely certifiable lady. Bonkers. If random people showed me the kinds of images we saw in Sex Ed class in 6th grade on the playground they'd probably ALSO be charged with breaking the law.

Same thing if the doctor touched a random kid on the playground rather than in his office.

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Old 05-06-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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wrong
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/a...-edge-Red-Hook

now read the Dignity for All Students Act.
There in nothing in there that can even imply to teach, practicing saying no to unwanted advances

But you haven't told us what you think Hitler would have done? Jewish Nazi deathcamp Hitler liberal, am I right, or am I right?




BTW: The Dignity Act was signed into law on September 13, 2010 and took effect on July 1, 2012.

This legislation amended State Education Law by creating a new Article 2 – Dignity for All Students. The Dignity Act also amended Section 801-a of New York State Education Law regarding instruction in civility, citizenship, and character education by expanding the concepts of tolerance, respect for others and dignity to include: an awareness and sensitivity in the relations of people, including but not limited to, different races, weights, national origins, ethnic groups, religions, religious practices, mental or physical abilities, sexual orientations, gender identity, and sexes. The Dignity Act further amended Section 2801 of the Education Law by requiring Boards of Education to include language addressing The Dignity Act in their codes of conduct.



For the sake of argument, I think teaching children the right way to rebuff an unwanted same-sex advance is to learn to say, "no thank you, not interested" rather than, "F-off you filthy ******, I'm going to kick your ***!"


Many grown ADULTS lack the maturity to approach issues of sexuality in such a manner, and it stems from their own poor upbringing by parents who failed to instill within them social intelligence.
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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For Chrissakes lady, the kids did not KISS in the class!




It is absolutely no different than pretending to deal drugs to your classmate so that they can rebuff your advances.

Obviously one girl who had a dummy for a mom felt uncomfortable, and the mom made an issue about it. I think the dummy-mom correlation is the real problem here.




What part of the story are you missing? How about the part that the exercise was done in the context of breaking the class up by GENDERS, so that ALL role playing on rebuffing would necessarily have to be "same sex," regardless of the context?

If you have an all-female self defense class, with a female instructor.... guess what? You're STILL going to have a woman role-playing the part of the aggressor and getting kicked in the imaginary balls for it!






Jesus H. Christ, you are absolutely certifiable lady. Bonkers. If random people showed me the kinds of images we saw in Sex Ed class in 6th grade on the playground they'd probably ALSO be charged with breaking the law.

Same thing if the doctor touched a random kid on the playground rather than in his office.



As you know these attempts to eliminate what happened have been bamboozled in this thread and the only other excuse pending is some kind of idea that it was only a movie. Therefore we know what happened and the teachers broke the law.

Pictures can be art. Pictures require a demented attitude firstly to translate any illicitness in the beholder. Youngsters can look at a porn pic, a doctor can look at a womens parts...there is no comparison with this and the deliberate request from a teacher for the youngsters to physically engage in the baloney, I was pretty clear with the idea and the puffing of the pot...I guess that caught your eye and so it should, hopefully it will catch the uselessness so far in the authorities in the area and they will be charged.

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Old 05-06-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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wrong
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/a...-edge-Red-Hook

now read the Dignity for All Students Act.
There in nothing in there that can even imply to teach, practicing saying no to unwanted advances
Where was I wrong?

This is from your link.

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Finch said that Linden Avenue Principal Katie Zahedi and guidance counselors worked with a group of Bard students to develop the workshop, including role-playing on how to say no to unwanted social pressures.
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On a Facebook forum for parents, Zahedi said the exercise was “not to pretend to be gay” but to practice saying “no” to unwarranted advances.
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