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After one has experienced classes with several dozen professors, it is common sense they would have come across some liberal, some conservative
According to survey data the vast majority of college facaulty members are to the left of center politicaly. There are many departments in major universities where not one person identifies as conservative.
And you're an exception to the rule. Good for you! For the rest of the world, it doesn't usually work that way, although I will say that owning your own successful company would be one way around not having a degree and still making a comfortable income. Many people--even really intelligent people--don't have what it takes to be a business owner at all, let alone a successful one, so that limits the pool considerable from the start.
Umm, I earn a very livable wage with my HS diploma. More than many college graduates. I work with many others who do the same. The problem is, when we try to train HS kids, they suck at math and have no work ethic. Either the K-12 system is broken, or all the brains/work ethic are gravitating to the college campuses. Either way, I don't believe the colleges are making the difference people think. I think the smart kids just all go to college now. And many of the stupid ones too. I mean, if GWB could have graduated decades ago...
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Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment
According to survey data the vast majority of college facaulty members are to the left of center politicaly. There are many departments in major universities where not one person identifies as conservative.
Yes, they are majority tree huggin liberals based on my limited exposure. And they wouldn't last a minute in today's competitive labor market. The kids really didn't know any better. Teachers talk too fast for kids to critically think or fully digest the material being presented. At the end of the lecture, they are one step closer to being fully indoctrinated democrat lifers. And when their graduation plans don't come to fruition, it's always a republican's fault...
Don't confuse an education with credentials.
One can learn any time, any place, and by any method.
But only "approved" institutions can bestow credentials.
More positions require a degree than ever, and despite not following your advice in this post, corporate profits from US operations are at historically high levels. In order to maintain a standard of living, we will simply need to become better educated and trained than ever, as billions more are yearning for the opportunities we take for granted. Competition makes the strong stronger, and the weak weaker. Only a fool dislikes competition.
Higher learning is valuable for its own sake, and should be pursued by the small fraction who desire that and are smart enough to make a contribution. But college is a hugely inefficient way of training people to compete in the economy.
Higher learning is valuable for its own sake, and should be pursued by the small fraction who desire that and are smart enough to make a contribution. But college is a hugely inefficient way of training people to compete in the economy.
Inefficient in what way? Obtain truly challenging education for 4 years, work at that career for 30 plus years, so one is looking at an investment of less than 15 percent of their adult, non-retirement years.
I know you hate the notion that not all profs could be guests on Fox, but that hardly makes it a bad investment.
This is why I roll my eyes at the idiot posts here about "worthless" degrees that should be banned at universities, because I promise you--those liberal arts majors are still finding decent jobs a heck of a lot faster, and making much more money over time, than someone with a High School Diploma ever will. A college degree is always a good investment.
I finished my graduate degree (in Library & Information Science, with a BA in English Lit) right before the crap hit the fan, and even with one layoff, have fared rather well. I had two excellent offers immediately out of school, and following that layoff, THREE good offers over the next year. If I hadn't followed through on my education, I highly doubt I'd be making a nice living in a job I love, as I am doing now.
Oh, and I had the benefit of not having to take student loans, so my "return" has essentially been 100% thus far... well, maybe not so much for my parents.
Inefficient in what way? Obtain truly challenging education for 4 years, work at that career for 30 plus years, so one is looking at an investment of less than 15 percent of their adult, non-retirement years.
I know you hate the notion that not all profs could be guests on Fox, but that hardly makes it a bad investment.
15.2%
15.2% compared to what? The HS drop out who scored a 78 on the intelligence quotient exam? I mean, the bar drops pretty low when thinking of the college grad's competition. It says nothing regarding the prospects of the 120 IQ HS grad that starts at the bottom in some form of occupation. This is what you have failed to address or even acknowledge. More than likely, you will call them an "outlier" because they don't agree with your narrow logic...
Keep pumping that education bubble, few more seats over there!
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Originally Posted by gizmo980
I finished my graduate degree (in Library & Information Science, with a BA in English Lit) right before the crap hit the fan, and even with one layoff, have fared rather well. I had two excellent offers immediately out of school, and following that layoff, THREE good offers over the next year. If I hadn't followed through on my education, I highly doubt I'd be making a nice living in a job I love, as I am doing now.
Oh, and I had the benefit of not having to take student loans, so my "return" has essentially been 100% thus far... well, maybe not so much for my parents.
But is this strategy applicable for the masses? That's my argument... I don't think it is, and it's dangerous to suggest it. In many cases, we're talking about unearned income.
Had you READ the article, you'd know 15.2% was the result of the study comparing lifetime earnings college grad to the hs grad, after calculating for the cost of college , including not earning f/t pay from 18-22 years of age.
I finished my graduate degree (in Library & Information Science, with a BA in English Lit) right before the crap hit the fan, and even with one layoff, have fared rather well. I had two excellent offers immediately out of school, and following that layoff, THREE good offers over the next year. If I hadn't followed through on my education, I highly doubt I'd be making a nice living in a job I love, as I am doing now.
Oh, and I had the benefit of not having to take student loans, so my "return" has essentially been 100% thus far... well, maybe not so much for my parents.
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Originally Posted by andywire
15.2% compared to what? The HS drop out who scored a 78 on the intelligence quotient exam? I mean, the bar drops pretty low when thinking of the college grad's competition. It says nothing regarding the prospects of the 120 IQ HS grad that starts at the bottom in some form of occupation. This is what you have failed to address or even acknowledge. More than likely, you will call them an "outlier" because they don't agree with your narrow logic...
Keep pumping that education bubble, few more seats over there!
But is this strategy applicable for the masses? That's my argument... I don't think it is, and it's dangerous to suggest it. In many cases, we're talking about unearned income.
Of course it's applicable for 'the masses'. I suppose you think only the 'elite' should attend college? For most people, college IS the path to a better life and better income.
I finished my graduate degree (in Library & Information Science, with a BA in English Lit) right before the crap hit the fan, and even with one layoff, have fared rather well. I had two excellent offers immediately out of school, and following that layoff, THREE good offers over the next year. If I hadn't followed through on my education, I highly doubt I'd be making a nice living in a job I love, as I am doing now.
Oh, and I had the benefit of not having to take student loans, so my "return" has essentially been 100% thus far... well, maybe not so much for my parents.
Awesome. Congrats on avoiding student loans. I know many who have, including my godson who is getting his Masters this month with NO student loan debt as well, already having a corporate job at a large multi-national.
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For the rest of the world, it doesn't usually work that way, although I will say that owning your own successful company would be one way around not having a degree and still making a comfortable income. Many people--even really intelligent people--don't have what it takes to be a business owner at all, let alone a successful one, so that limits the pool considerable from the start.
