U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-07-2013, 02:45 PM
 
1,964 posts, read 1,581,514 times
Reputation: 844

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot_Handz View Post
Yes, the concept of being judged by a single, omnipotent entity is probably a silly thing.

But, why would you think a society where logic and probability theory were the highest value would be BETTER?
Better meaning more factual, and if not truth, then as close to the truth as you can get.

Probability theory? What?

Nobody is saying we should turn into the Vulcans, believe it or not morality predates religion, although that has nothing to do with this thread.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-07-2013, 02:46 PM
 
8,100 posts, read 5,003,119 times
Reputation: 1578
Quote:
Originally Posted by k.smith904 View Post
Better meaning more factual, and if not truth, then as close to the truth as you can get.

Probability theory? What?

Nobody is saying we should turn into the Vulcans, believe it or not morality predates religion, although that has nothing to do with this thread.
No it doesn't....

if you are an Atheist and you believe in "morals"... than you are even more of a whack job than any right wing Christian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 02:50 PM
 
1,964 posts, read 1,581,514 times
Reputation: 844
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot_Handz View Post
No it doesn't....

if you are an Atheist and you believe in "morals"... than you are even more of a whack job than any right wing Christian
How so?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 02:57 PM
 
8,100 posts, read 5,003,119 times
Reputation: 1578
Quote:
Originally Posted by k.smith904 View Post
How so?
A moral indicates inherent and intrinsic values of "good and bad" and "right and wrong"...

If there is no supernatural authority...how are they prescribed?

Science must have an explanation for this.... and since you are THEE DUDE who, apparently, has a better grasp of science than anybody else in this thread... I am sure you can explain this.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Michigan
12,715 posts, read 11,613,222 times
Reputation: 4140
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot_Handz View Post
A moral indicates inherent and intrinsic values of "good and bad" and "right and wrong"...
That's your special definition of morality, not the one commonly used.

It is entirely possible to construct a morality that is 100% contingent and has no intrinsic elements whatsoever. You might not find it satisfactory, but it is still a system of morality.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
8,100 posts, read 5,003,119 times
Reputation: 1578
Quote:
Originally Posted by djacques View Post
That's your special definition of morality, not the one commonly used.

It is entirely possible to posit a morality that is 100% contingent and has no intrinsic elements whatsoever.
Then it's not a moral it's a value
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
1,964 posts, read 1,581,514 times
Reputation: 844
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot_Handz View Post
A moral indicates inherent and intrinsic values of "good and bad" and "right and wrong"...

If there is no supernatural authority...how are they prescribed?

Science must have an explanation for this.... and since you are THEE DUDE who, apparently, has a better grasp of science than anybody else in this thread... I am sure you can explain this.
lol, i love this argument.

"How can I know whats right or wrong unless God tells me?"

First of all, I dont need a god to know that killing and raping and lying and adultery is immoral behavior. Morality predates your, or any, religion.

Second, if I see an old woman crossing the road, and I help her, am I a better person because Im doing it to get a divine reward or because Im doing it simply because its nice?


God is a pretty bad moral authority if thats what you want to believe, I know I wouldnt create a species with free will, then kill all of them with a flood for not acting the way I want. That would make me a narcissitic murderer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Michigan
12,715 posts, read 11,613,222 times
Reputation: 4140
mor·al
adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
22,592 posts, read 12,346,799 times
Reputation: 15498
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackmccullough View Post

I'll just point out that most of the people I know are atheists and they never say "god help me".
I've never said "god help me" in my life.

On the other hand, if someone sneezes, I say "Buddha bless you!"

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-07-2013, 03:05 PM
 
8,100 posts, read 5,003,119 times
Reputation: 1578
Quote:
Originally Posted by k.smith904 View Post
lol, i love this argument.

"How can I know whats right or wrong unless God tells me?"

First of all, I dont need a god to know that killing and raping and lying and adultery is immoral behavior. Morality predates your, or any, religion.

Second, if I see an old woman crossing the road, and I help her, am I a better person because Im doing it to get a divine reward or because Im doing it simply because its nice?


God is a pretty bad moral authority if thats what you want to believe, I know I wouldnt create a species with free will, then kill all of them with a flood for not acting the way I want. That would make me a narcissitic murderer.
I'm an Agnostic.

but bottom line is... without an authority... there IS no right or wrong. Right or wrong comes merely from preference.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:23 PM.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top