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Old 05-05-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Agreed. Tho maybe that's the cost of becoming "American". I'm of Irish family and speak only English. The old ways; good OR bad, will mostly die out. Some "Irish" try to dog me for NOT speaking Gaelic; my comeback is "why should I?" and they go "huh".
I suppose it all depends how strongly one feels toward their ethnic traditions and culture. As someone with Irish heritage, would you really prefer pickled brisket and cooked cabbage, to a slow-cooked dry-rubbed Texas barbecued brisket with cornbread and honey-butter?

Just because it was a very big deal to eat beef for the Irish during the mid-nineteenth century, and the only way to preserve that beef before refrigeration was to pickle that beef, does not make it a tradition worthy of keeping, in my opinion. A real celebration, since that is the intent of Saint Patrick's Day, is to get the best food and booze one can afford. These days most of us can certainly do better than a pickled stringy piece of beef.

No offense intended.
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Old 05-05-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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No, not resentful at all.

Of course I hate seeing my tax money wasted on people with no motivation to make their lives easier, but the same can be said for the non-natives who are also on the public teat with no motivation to leave. I also question the need to subsidize some of their practices while some of them get rich off gambling, but at the same time we wage pointless wars and pointless "winning hearts and minds" by building schools and highways to nowhere. So my scorn isn't limited to inefficiency and bias for native folks. I scorn inefficiency in general.
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Old 05-05-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Cbus
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The white man will try to whitewash the theft of a continent and essentially exterminating a race of people by claiming that we fought among ourselves and are weak, inferior, morally corrupt individuals who live in dirt piles and are a threat to the white society. This is the final push to finish the job they started centuries ago.
I contend that any and all afflictions experienced by the NDN were brought on and fostered by the white society and the principles of Manifest Destiny. If we had just been left alone with our culture and lands then we would have thrived as caretakers of the continent rather that the concept of exploitation and pillage that the white race brought.
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I find it disrespectful that you are grouping all "white men" together and insinuating that all white people are hell-bent on destroying native culture and have done nothing but evil deeds. My family came here in the 1950's on a boat from Italy and are hardworking, kindhearted people. Most "white" people on the east coast can trace their ancestors back just a few generations or so to Europe and have absolutely nothing to do with the destruction of Native American culture or the acquisition of their land. I understand the reasoning behind the animosity but the hate speech and unnecessary generalizations are not appreciated.

and for the record I am not against reservations or tax breaks or scholarships for Native American people...
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Old 05-05-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Americans, Are you resentful?
No.

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Old 05-05-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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I find it disrespectful that you are grouping all "white men" together and insinuating that all white people are hell-bent on destroying native culture and have done nothing but evil deeds. My family came here in the 1950's on a boat from Italy and are hardworking, kindhearted people. Most "white" people on the east coast can trace their ancestors back just a few generations or so to Europe and have absolutely nothing to do with the destruction of Native American culture or the acquisition of their land. I understand the reasoning behind the animosity but the hate speech and unnecessary generalizations are not appreciated.

and for the record I am not against reservations or tax breaks or scholarships for Native American people...
Some people like wallowing in the past. This allows them to hate people alive today who weren't even born back then and played no role in the past. They are the eternal victims even though they themselves weren't even alive back then either. We'll never be united as a country with so many in constant victim mentality mode over the past. Mexicans are good at that also.
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Old 05-05-2013, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I find it disrespectful that you are grouping all "white men" together and insinuating that all white people are hell-bent on destroying native culture and have done nothing but evil deeds. My family came here in the 1950's on a boat from Italy and are hardworking, kindhearted people. Most "white" people on the east coast can trace their ancestors back just a few generations or so to Europe and have absolutely nothing to do with the destruction of Native American culture or the acquisition of their land. I understand the reasoning behind the animosity but the hate speech and unnecessary generalizations are not appreciated.

and for the record I am not against reservations or tax breaks or scholarships for Native American people...
I do not speak of all white men as you imply. I speak to the posters here in this thread who have made the statements I refer to. Read the thread and you'll know who I'm referring to.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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Within the Australian context, Aborigines occupy both the social position of Native Americans and African Americans. This is because until relatively recently, there was a "White Australia" policy which kept out nonwhite immigrants, and the Aborigines were the only nonwhite underclass. Thus a lot of things which show up in part in anti-black animus in the U.S. (moral panic about unwed mothers, concern about welfare, or public housing, etc), are put onto Aborigines.

In addition, in the vast majority of the U.S. (besides some parts of the West) Native Americans are so rare that people never have to consider the abject poverty and squalor which still exists on many reservations - we have plenty of examples of nearly as bad poverty closer to home after all.
Wonder how all those Maori made their way to Aus before the so called white Australia policy was overturned ?
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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All they've done is waste that money on luxury housing. /sarcasm

Resentful? It never once entered my mind. My wife's favorite spot to visit is Santa Fe and the surrounding area. I suggest everyone make the trip and take the time to talk with the locals. Get out of the city and drive out to the villages. They will welcome you.

You will never feel regret. Guilt, maybe, but not regret.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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I suppose it all depends how strongly one feels toward their ethnic traditions and culture. As someone with Irish heritage, would you really prefer pickled brisket and cooked cabbage, to a slow-cooked dry-rubbed Texas barbecued brisket with cornbread and honey-butter?

Just because it was a very big deal to eat beef for the Irish during the mid-nineteenth century, and the only way to preserve that beef before refrigeration was to pickle that beef, does not make it a tradition worthy of keeping, in my opinion. A real celebration, since that is the intent of Saint Patrick's Day, is to get the best food and booze one can afford. These days most of us can certainly do better than a pickled stringy piece of beef.

No offense intended.
Uh; I like my "American" food; let my now dead ancestors deal with cabbage and so on.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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All they've done is waste that money on luxury housing. /sarcasm

Resentful? It never once entered my mind. My wife's favorite spot to visit is Santa Fe and the surrounding area. I suggest everyone make the trip and take the time to talk with the locals. Get out of the city and drive out to the villages. They will welcome you.

You will never feel regret. Guilt, maybe, but not regret.
Guilt?
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