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Old 05-04-2013, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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As well-intentioned as many American liberal ideas are, I can't help but ask if maybe the left can perhaps put their plans on hold to allow the economy to recover. For example, can a single payer system wait until we have substantial recovery? I know talking points and emotional appeals want us to do things NOW NOW NOW, but why, for example, mess with a sector of the economy that's around 17% of GDP when we're in a stagcession? Just an example, of course, but can't these things wait until we've revitalized the private sector and are booming at 3-4% once again?
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I agree... great things need time to unfold and need to be implemented under the right set of circumstances. Otherwise you end up with a shoddy third-rate version of the thing you set out to create and it causes too many problems and not only turns people off of your ideal, but also hurts the country and many of those it was created to help.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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There are some things that don't have to wait for the economy to recover, and even can help the economy, such as homosexual marriage. So that, I don't suggest waiting on. I can see the argument that you're trying to make regarding the single-payer system however, and I'm still unsure even if htat can work in America with how America is to begin with.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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As well-intentioned as many American liberal ideas are, I can't help but ask if maybe the left can perhaps put their plans on hold to allow the economy to recover.
That's a dumb question.

To liberals, it's much more important to implement socialize medicine (aka single-payer, that payer being the govt) than to help the economy.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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As well-intentioned as many American liberal ideas are, I can't help but ask if maybe the left can perhaps put their plans on hold to allow the economy to recover. For example, can a single payer system wait until we have substantial recovery? I know talking points and emotional appeals want us to do things NOW NOW NOW, but why, for example, mess with a sector of the economy that's around 17% of GDP when we're in a stagcession? Just an example, of course, but can't these things wait until we've revitalized the private sector and are booming at 3-4% once again?
Single payer wouldn't take over that sector of the economy, it would just provide insurance for all citizens. The hospitals, medical device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and all other private players in or related to the medical field would still be private entities.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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That's a dumb question.

To liberals, it's much more important to implement socialize medicine (aka single-payer, that payer being the govt) than to help the economy.
Single payer isn't socialized medicine. The UK's NHS is socialized medicine. We could expand Medicare to cover everyone as a single payer system, but that's not socialized medicine.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:27 PM
 
Location: SE Mass
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UHC would help businesses because right now all employers are saddled with employee healthcare costs.

Also, there's a Frontline episode called Sick Around the World that provides an overview of five different UHC systems.

There are ways of implementing UHC perfectly congenial to the healthcare system.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That's a dumb question.

To liberals, it's much more important to implement socialize medicine (aka single-payer, that payer being the govt) than to help the economy.
The health care law will help the economy. All of a sudden folks who have medical needs will have a lot more money left in their pockets for other things as soon as implementation begins.

I would like to see a new infrastructure repair budget bill go through before the end of June if possible. Summer is the best time to repair our decaying highways, overpasses and bridges, and create thousands of new jobs for the under skilled workers who are having a hard time finding work right now. A lot of roads would become safer next winter if it was to pass.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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UHC would help businesses because right now all employers are saddled with employee healthcare costs.

Also, there's a Frontline episode called Sick Around the World that provides an overview of five different UHC systems.

There are ways of implementing UHC perfectly congenial to the healthcare system.
The costs are borne by someone. Pick your poison on where American health costs will be carried. Either by everyone (Universal Health Care), a few (employer provided HC). The economic costs aren't going away no matter how much you want them to.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:41 PM
 
Location: SE Mass
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The costs are borne by someone. Pick your poison on where American health costs will be carried. Either by everyone (Universal Health Care), a few (employer provided HC). The economic costs aren't going away no matter how much you want them to.
Of course it costs money. It's a conservative fantasy to think that people often overlook this.

Edit: Also, UHC costs less on the whole. We spend more per capita, publicly, than most UHC countries do. What we spend privately per capita is more than for all other countries.

Edit2: And if instead of going by $ amount you go by units representing equal purchasing power, we're still spending way more.

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