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Old 05-05-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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For starters, not all single mothers are without the baby's father. The article makes no mention of that, so we just don't know. Also, how many of these single mothers are actually divorced mothers who married and had children young?

The article seems to talk only about single mothers, but does nothing to talk about the fathers of these children. I would say the best advice would be to push the education with girls when they are in school that the better the eduction they get, and waiting till marriage before having children, as well as teaching them about safe sex would decrease these numbers.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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I'm not a liberal or a conservative - in fact, I would rather keep out of politics. I was just pointing out that unmarried is not directly equivalent to single motherhood.
But once again, the discussion is about making us broke. The only way their unmarried, but co-habitating, and then responsible for making us broke, is if they are BREAKING THE LAW, or the father is so completely incompetent and unwilling to go earn a living wage.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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For starters, not all single mothers are without the baby's father. The article makes no mention of that, so we just don't know. Also, how many of these single mothers are actually divorced mothers who married and had children young?

The article seems to talk only about single mothers, but does nothing to talk about the fathers of these children. I would say the best advice would be to push the education with girls when they are in school that the better the eduction they get, and waiting till marriage before having children, as well as teaching them about safe sex would decrease these numbers.
ahh just as expected, urbanlife arrives on the scene. The paragraph below should be of interest.

"Single mothers in their early 20s instantly become the have-nots, statistically, in income and education. For so many women to have so many children without a husband is a complete abdication of personal responsibility, which leads to a complete shunning of any civic responsibility. We are going broke. And if you think taxing higher-income earners more is the answer, you haven't done the math. The men who are party to these births are, of course, just as irresponsible, just as uncommitted to a civic responsibility to take care of their own."
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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Oh I was just giving an example. I know it goes beyond free lunches.
The sense of entitlement though between middle class and inner city and poor rural is not the same.
I disagree completely. The sense of entitlement is as great, it just manifests itself in different ways.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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I'm not a liberal or a conservative - in fact, I would rather keep out of politics. I was just pointing out that unmarried is not directly equivalent to single motherhood.
Sorry, wasn't directing that your way. More about where I live.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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I am just saying that unmarried doesn't automatically equate to single mother. Unmarried means not married to the father (which doesn't exclude cohabiting with the father), single mother means parenting on her own.
Yep, so the mother collects welfare and cohabitates with the father who also gets welfare.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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Single parenthood shows clear signs of at least two irresponsible people. I say hire someone who has shown understanding of the concept of adult responsibility for children, and put all these kids in a home run by people like that. All these "baby mamas and baby daddys" are just people who really don't give a damn about what they create in "getting it off". No way should children remain in their care.
Brilliant idea. You clearly understand much of the psychology of children.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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Not to give single moms any break, but things like bailing out banks is making us more broke than single moms. Paying through the nose to contractors like Halliburton is likewise making us go broke. Let's not, while admitting that single moms and the unfettered births to retarded people is counterproductive, forget we have other expenses completely out of control. And what is being done to put a tourniquet on those gushing wounds?
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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Yep, so the mother collects welfare and cohabitates with the father who also gets welfare.
Exactly, note how she hasnt replied to me pointing out thats illegal.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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I'm not a liberal or a conservative - in fact, I would rather keep out of politics. I was just pointing out that unmarried is not directly equivalent to single motherhood.
You're right but being misleading at the same time. Being unmarried is not directly equivalent to single motherhood. However, you are implying that a significant proportion of unmarried women with kids had all their kids with a single father who is still with them, which isn't the case.

I think we can all agree that families where are for all intents and purposes standard two-parent married households except without the piece of paper do exist and are a lot better and less destructive - both to the kid(s) and society - than other types of one-parent households. Alas that they are not a larger proportion of unmarried families with kids.
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