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It's only the fringe protesters that certain posters are highlighting. Its the same with any large group, your gonna find extremes. Not saying the analogy is extreme, simply the way in which the message was presented.
The media was extremely effective at swaying public perception of the Movement after the camps were ordered to be torn down. ALL of the negatives of Occupy were highlighted while none of the negatives from the police and politicians were highlighted.
That's why I take issue with these type of threads. Did you notice that yet again, its not the issues being highlighted but a few protesters?
As if THOSE individuals represent the Mainstream sector of the movement.
I completely agree with you. However, when you have a supposedly leaderless movement you end up with the fringe defining both your message and image. It's hard to keep a communicable message out there when there is no supportive organization. Thus, misunderstood and flaky performance pieces by under-employed arts majors in Portland becomes your image despite the underlying message being valid and worthy of discussion.
I completely agree with you. However, when you have a supposedly leaderless movement you end up with the fringe defining your message and you image. It's hard to keep a communicable message out there when there is no supportive organization. Thus, misunderstood and flaky performance pieces by under-employed arts majors in Portland becomes your image despite the underlying meaning being valid.
It's a very young movement. If they keep getting their message out there, no matter how crazy you think they are, they'll either move the establishment to make reasonable changes in a more moderate position, OR (more likely) a more moderate group translating the issues of the Occupy movement into policy will arise to fight the establishment politically to make those changes. They're already responsible for a commonly used description of extreme wealth in this country--the "1%." From a marketing and political standpoint, that's already a major success.
Every movement starts out this way--Rosa Parks refusing to sit at the back of the bus (highly controversial at that time), gay people fighting back at Stonewall and the gay pride parades, or Tea Party rallies where people dressed like colonial patriots and carried signs. It's all the same process.
They're making fun of how some people seem to worship the stock market using both a biblical reference and the famous bronze bull market statue. That you were unable to figure this out on your own with just a few seconds of thought speaks volumes about your limited abilities.
What those people don't know is not all Christians worship the bull.......there foolishness is showing!
Why don't those people march against Bill Gates and Warren Buffet?
^^ The Movement is definitely growing. I've said before I knew of other Movements gaining steam before I ever heard about Occupy. I feel like Occupy has been the "tool" that a lot of these other movements have needed. It's also given young people a cause worth joining together for.
I also think the Movement will manifest in business as well. I do believe there will start to be new competitors for some of these major corporations who think they are above all (customer, law, taxes).
Is it obvious to any one else that there are some who will do anything to discredit Occupy? ... Other than actually debate any of the actual issues they brought to the fore front.
when the occupy people stopped bathing and started pooping on police cars, they discredited themselves.
Howard Buffett, son of Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, told Bloomberg on Thursday that he understands the frustration that many middle-class Americans currently feel. He, for one, places blame on both corporate abuse and the growing wealth gap.
"I think it takes that to make things happen sometimes," Buffett, himself a farmer and philanthropist, said. "We saw large corporations really screw people."
Anger toward Americans remains especially pointed toward the financial sector. Indeed, confidence in the U.S. banking system has dropped to a new low, according to a recent Rasmussen poll, at a time when major banks face allegations of widespread mortgage abuse while continuing to impose new fees on customers.
What those people don't know is not all Christians worship the bull.......there foolishness is showing!
Why don't those people march against Bill Gates and Warren Buffet?
Well...that wasn't the point. First--no Christians (or Jews) are supposed to literally worship "the bull." That's idolatry. Second, they weren't trying to make a statement about Christians. They were making a statement about Wall Street and money being a "false God" that many worship. It was meant as an anology--a comparison--and wasn't meant to be taken literally.
I'm not a part of Occupy Wall Street, but I don't think their message is that all rich people are evil. Gates and Buffet are examples of people who've received a great deal from this country and have given back just as much--the old system of noblesse oblige or "to whom much is given, much is expected." They've personally expressed over and over that they think our current policies are unfair to most people. I think what Occupy Wall Street is pointing out is that attitude of "I'm going to get mine even if I have to walk over the bodies of everyone else to get there" mentality. Americans like fairness, and when the people at the very top financially and politically can control the policy agenda to benefit them to the detriment of everyone else in the country, then it becomes a problem and an issue.
^^ The Movement is definitely growing. I've said before I knew of other Movements gaining steam before I ever heard about Occupy. I feel like Occupy has been the "tool" that a lot of these other movements have needed. It's also given young people a cause worth joining together for.
I also think the Movement will manifest in business as well. I do believe there will start to be new competitors for some of these major corporations who think they are above all (customer, law, taxes).
I think a lot of small business owners in this country are starting to get pretty ticked off that no one is speaking out to represent us--the people who actually create jobs and pay taxes--vs. the companies that pay nothing, use our infrastructure, get pork on top of it and then hire off shore.
when the occupy people stopped bathing and started pooping on police cars, they discredited themselves.
The literal "Occupy Wall" street movement isn't going to be the group that changes policy--their job is to make a huge stink and keep the issue in the press. A more moderate group, or existing more moderate groups, will arise and embrace the same issues, but do it in a more professional way, at the point where we start to see real policy changes proposed in this country. That will come with time. In the meantime, even if you think the protesters are disgusting, you're still talking about them. That's their goal. We're talking about the issues.
Well...that wasn't the point. First--no Christians (or Jews) are supposed to literally worship "the bull." That's idolatry. Second, I don't think they were trying to make a statement about Christians. They were making a statement about Wall Street and money being a "false God" that many worship. It was meant as an anology--a comparison--and wasn't meant to be taken literally.
I'm not a part of Occupy Wall Street, but I don't think their message is that all rich people are evil. Gates and Buffet are examples of people who've received a great deal from this country and have given back just as much--the old system of noblesse oblige or "to whom much is given, much is expected." They've personally expressed over and over that they think our current policies are unfair to most people. I think what Occupy Wall Street is pointing out is that attitude of "I'm going to get mine even if I have to walk over the bodies of everyone else to get there" mentality. Americans like fairness, and when the people at the very top financially and politically can control the policy agenda to benefit them to the detriment of everyone else in the country, then it becomes a problem and an issue.
I wanted to rep you numerous times in this thread, but you know the drill. Even if you are not a member of OWS, you are definitely an asset to them. Keep talking--you're doing good work here.
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