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Old 05-08-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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Nope. My elementary school was a block away from my house. However, the study shows the younger generation are basically worthless and lazy. They want healthcare, childcare, a job, and their retirement given to them, without working for it. You can spin it anyway you want and defend whatever you want. That is called being lazy and it is clearly spelled out in the article.

Of course, you can continue to attack me, or you can attack the points in the article. You can't, of course, because the facts are just that: the facts.

Liberal policies of working as little as possible, high tax rates, giving to people who don't need it, etc has raised this entitlement generation since the 60's. Give me, give me, give me. Its mine and I deserve it. This study is a partial outcome of those philosophies.
What I don't like is the painting with a broad brush aka stereotyping. Sure, I am sure there are some or many kids that fit that description but it has been my observation that most aren't that way. And by the way I am a conservative senior.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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What I don't like is the painting with a broad brush aka stereotyping. Sure, I am sure there are some or many kids that fit that description but it has been my observation that most aren't that way. And by the way I am a conservative senior.
I'm not painting with a broad brush. Sure there are those who don't think this way. There are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule. However, the study shows the MAJORITY of the younger generation think this way. As time goes on, its only going to worse.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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What could we do to improve the younger generations work ethic ??
Allow people to teach the value of a dollar. Why is it a 12 yr old has an iPhone and iPad? I'm focusing in one thing here, however, cellphones, and not a 10 dollar 7-11 job are so much a problem in schools, they are taken away from kids at the beginning of class, and given back to them at the end. What did those children do to earn those phones? Sure, some may have done "something," however most didn't lift a finger and said, "I want one, because my friend has one."

How many parents GIVE their children a new car, when they turn 16? Ho many young adults don't work to get their way through college? High school kids go to Europe for school trips. Ever see a senior prom/ball these days? Limo's? 300 dollar dresses? 16-17 yr old girls going to tanning salon's?

How about we just simply go back to the old days: You want a limo for your prom, get a job, work for it, and you can have it. Society has done NOTHING but spoiled kids over generations by giving, giving, and giving; expecting nothing in return. This study is the result.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I'm not painting with a broad brush. Sure there are those who don't think this way. There are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule. However, the study shows the MAJORITY of the younger generation think this way. As time goes on, its only going to worse.
And the generation that my parents came from were called deadbeat hippies that don't want to do anything but lay around and smoke pot. Every young generation goes through this whole growing into adulthood.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Allow people to teach the value of a dollar. Why is it a 12 yr old has an iPhone and iPad? I'm focusing in one thing here, however, cellphones, and not a 10 dollar 7-11 job are so much a problem in schools, they are taken away from kids at the beginning of class, and given back to them at the end. What did those children do to earn those phones? Sure, some may have done "something," however most didn't lift a finger and said, "I want one, because my friend has one."

How many parents GIVE their children a new car, when they turn 16? Ho many young adults don't work to get their way through college? High school kids go to Europe for school trips. Ever see a senior prom/ball these days? Limo's? 300 dollar dresses? 16-17 yr old girls going to tanning salon's?

How about we just simply go back to the old days: You want a limo for your prom, get a job, work for it, and you can have it. Society has done NOTHING but spoiled kids over generations by giving, giving, and giving; expecting nothing in return. This study is the result.
You are on a roll with your "back in my day" posts.

Actually you are totally right, when I was 12yrs old, I didn't have an iPad or an iPhone...but then again, back in my day phones had cords and couldn't leave the house with them. Technology changes and how we use technology changes with it.

The rest of this rant is basically, "I didn't get to do all these things when I was a kid, so why do kids today get to do them." Sounds like you are jealous of today's random youth more than anything.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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I'm not painting with a broad brush. Sure there are those who don't think this way. There are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule. However, the study shows the MAJORITY of the younger generation think this way. As time goes on, its only going to worse.
Well, I disagree with this study then. Perhaps it is true of kids who come from upper middle class parents but the rest...no.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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OP, thank you very much for not starting yet another "Git off ma' lawn" thread in Parenting.

Speaking of "back in the good ol' days", I am reminded of this.


Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen - YouTube
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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MTV is run by Sumner Redstone, aka Sammy Rothstein,
he also runs Paramount: perhaps these narcissistic kids are watching too much trash that he is shoving down the publics throat these days:

Viacom Inc., short for "Video & Audio Communications", is an American global mass media company with interests primarily in, but not limited to, cinema and cable television. As of 2010, it is the world's fourth-largest media conglomerate, behind The Walt Disney Company, Time Warner and News Corporation. Viacom is owned in majority by National Amusements, Inc., a privately owned theater company based in Dedham, Massachusetts, USA
National Amusements holds another controlling stake in CBS Corporation.
The current Viacom was created on December 31, 2005, as a spinoff from CBS Corporation, which changed its name from Viacom to CBS at the same time. CBS, not Viacom, retains control of the over-the-air broadcasting, TV production, outdoor advertising, subscription pay television (Showtime) and publishing assets (Simon & Schuster) formerly owned by the larger company. However, Sumner Redstone through National Amusements, retains majority control of Viacom. Predecessor firms of Viacom include Gulf+Western, which later became Paramount Communications Inc., and Westinghouse Electric Corporation.

Most parentrs are working 2 jobs to survive today, the trash media on tv is used as a babysitter, and its worse than it was a decade ago. Satellite carries 900 channels and 875 are reality trash and info-mercials. If kids are watching this garbage, no wonder society is on the decline.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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The glorification of children by my generation and those coming afterwards is an interesting topic. I think it results primarily from my generation rebelling against being brought up in a world where children were constantly told we were lucky to get what little we got. It was not unusual when I was growing up for children to be slapped around (or worse) simply because a parent was in a bad mood. This could even happen at large family gatherings, and nobody would question the actions of the adult--even if they felt sorry for the victim and tried to be comforting afterwards. Children then were not showered with luxuries, because they simply were not important enough to waste money on. I remember many friends vowing "When I grow up, I'll never hit my kids." It seems like they largely kept this vow.

The other contributing factor was the wealth of the early Baby Boom, who became grandparents. Grandparents are generally eager to spoil their grandkids, and this generation of Grandparents had incredible wealth (the previous generation of grandparents were products of the Great Depression). So this generation of kids grew up at a time when physical punishment was off the table, and wealthy grandparents allowed wishes to be fulfilled as fast as they were made. Even those who didn't want to spoil their kids were influenced by peer pressure--subconsciously, they didn't want other parents to think they couldn't afford to spoil their children too.

And now we have a generation of young adults and kids who expect a very high standard of living, simply because they exist. Their parents have been hovering over them every step of the way, helping with homework every night, helping with extracurricular activities the rest of the time.

And the claim that liberalism is to blame does seem to tie in--as a nation, we have been literally inundated with the idea that those who are not productive are just as valuable as those who are. In schools, we want to mainstream children with intellectual and mental deficiencies--called "challenges" so as not to imply something is lacking. Racial groups that do not do as well in school on standardized tests, or in life by getting and keeping responsible jobs, are simply discriminated against or victims of their environments. Single mothers are just as good as two parent families. The entire liberal agenda of diversity appreciation and generous welfare attempts to equalizes both social status, and standard of living, between those who work and those who don't, won't or can't.

I watch the children of peers grow into adulthood, and wonder why they don't have ulcers or other stress-related illnesses. They know the economy is a disaster, and that their prospects of getting a decent job are slim. But it doesn't bother them. They simply don't have the idea that "When you graduate, you're on your own," as my generation was so often told. Their parents willingly pay for them long after college, and expect to subsidize them for the rest of their lives. I also have heard peers comment that they will never retire, because they will never have enough to retire on, after subsidizing their kids at such a high level--a subsidy that apparently never ends. But these parents have created a problem for society now--a large group of people approaching retirement age, who have simply traded their retirement savings for a life of luxury for their kids. What happens when they get sick and retire early, or even make it to retirement age (67 for those of us born 1960 or later) and have very little saved? They will NEED those SS benefits that will require big tax increases (on their kid's generation--not exactly a prosperous one).

I can see the writing on the wall now. My husband and I did not have children, and saved our money instead of living life to the fullest (as everybody else seemed to be doing). We will have no mortgage or other debts when we retire, and hopefully will have enough money in the bank to deal with illness and aging. Politicians in Washington will be looking at any possible way to band-aid the SS system so it lasts a little bit longer, and raising SS taxes on the working class will have limits. So what will they do? They'll say (and audiences of young people will cheer)--why should "the rich" get SS benefits? Let's just disqualify anyone who has "x" dollars in the bank, or a paid-off house, or whatever "means testing" it takes. And suddenly, instead of the tiny 4% return that my generation might have expected in return for GIVING many hundreds of thousands of dollars to Washington, we will be looking at a total loss.

Unfortunately, that will be the death-knell to the liberal ideal of working people paying for everyone else to live as well as they do. It's bad enough NOW to have to work and see so many simply enjoying leisure while getting government checks. At least we have the illusion that at some point, we may be able to retire and enjoy life. But those in the future won't even have that illusion. They will see that if you are stupid enough to work hard, you'll just be paying for a lot more people on the Dole who don't. And the new Socialism, where a large non-productive group is supported by those willing to work anyway, will face the hard truth--that no matter how much you print worthless fiat dollars, it doesn't work. The whole thing collapses.

And even if Obama is still in the Presidency after the liberals have made him life-long dictator, he'll be blaming Bush. It was that darned Bush, he'll repeat. Everything would have been great if those darned Republicans let me spend more money.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You can go to jail these days if you back hand your kid for smarting off to you! There is no respect. There really is no way to teach right & wrong. They do what they wish to do, with parents being able to have little control, for fear of child abuse charges.
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