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Morality has nothing to do with it, it was an overreach method which certainly is not uncommon. I know it's hard for some to be objective, so don't tax yourself, I really don't care what drives you. Anyway, time for me to go spend some money in Disney World with some nephews, then lose some money in Biloxi next week .... Oh the Moral Joy! Or would that be a Quandary?
Morality is in the definition of the word scandal. If you dont like the definition then please call mr dictionary and stop embarassing yourself by discussing how you'd like to go to Disney.. Maybe they will hire you to be Mickey Mouse and you can hide from the public while being in full view, wouldnt that be wonderful? At least you wont be able to say anything dumb then.
None of these groups in 501c4 should be allowed any political activity, I didn't realize that Karl Rove's group CrossRoads was in that category, they do social welfare work?
Good point. The original rules stated "exclusively" for common welfare and were changed to be "primarily" in 1959. OFA also has the exemption. But since Citizens United, hard to identify the primarily part. The rules need changing.
Good point. The original rules stated "exclusively" for common welfare and were changed to be "primarily" in 1959. OFA also has the exemption. But since Citizens United, hard to identify the primarily part. The rules need changing.
I agree. I'll bet a lot of groups don't know where the line is, so they're crossing it frequently. It's ambiguous and designed to mislead, which is what is really causing these crummy arguments where good people bash each other.
Good point. The original rules stated "exclusively" for common welfare and were changed to be "primarily" in 1959. OFA also has the exemption. But since Citizens United, hard to identify the primarily part. The rules need changing.
Good googly moogly.....some people just cannot stop beating the drum on Citizens United...do you get some sort of daily distro from the office of Nancy Pelosi? She was the first one to make the crazy leap of logic required to try to use/connect the Citizens United decision to deflect and marginalize the current scandal at the IRS.
The first and only reason that Dems are still mad about Citizens United is that it leveled the playing field for fundraising. Period. Full stop. Dems enjoyed a near monopoly reaping millions from labor unions, but when the corporate HQ that employs the unions now has the same ability to contribute in kind it is some sort of moral abyss...
If so, you are rare, most right winger Tea Party Lovers, have never read the Constitution in whole, only the parts they like to use as talking points.....Then there those who can not read, but they sure can shoot their guns, and more guns, makes up for their shortcoming
It's obvious that many have not read it or read it and dismissed it or read it and wish people would ignore it.
Bloomberg's programs profile high crime neighborhoods to reduce their crime. There are lots of moms there who like their kids walking to school without fear of getting hit by stray bullets from drive bys.
They stop and frisk innocent people. The courts are going to stop it. Then if these mom's are truly are concerned for their kids they need to turn in those who are actually criminals as opposed to keeping their mouths shut.
The stop and frisk tactics simply add to the mistrust.
And the mistrust of the government is the problem here.
Good point. The original rules stated "exclusively" for common welfare and were changed to be "primarily" in 1959. OFA also has the exemption. But since Citizens United, hard to identify the primarily part. The rules need changing.
The change to "primarily" requires a thorough review, screening a group on the basis that they are exclusively involved in social welfare was much easier to detect. That is basically why these investigations need to acquire so much detailed information on these groups. It does seem that many 501c4's continue to operate when they are obviously political.
None of these groups in 501c4 should be allowed any political activity, I didn't realize that Karl Rove's group CrossRoads was in that category, they do social welfare work?
But they are. This has been covered. That they are is not the fault of the groups but rather the convoluted tax codes and the politicians that created them.
People are so quick to blame the Supreme Court for coming down on the side of our Constitutional rights but give the politicians that created these rules in the first place.
Politicians could end them tomorrow. They don't because they want to selectively go after the groups they want stopped.
I agree. I'll bet a lot of groups don't know where the line is, so they're crossing it frequently. It's ambiguous and designed to mislead, which is what is really causing these crummy arguments where good people bash each other.
The IRS has said that they do not even know where the lines are.
Government agencies have to be fair dealers without favoritism. Anyone who is found to be favoring one group over another should be fired.
To me though this issue is much ado about nothing. Some conservative groups did have to answer questions and wait longer than other groups, but and that is wrong, but the idea that this was the height of scandal is silly. This is a another non issue.
I watched clips of the Glenn Beck show and he brought on two people who represented two of the victimized organizations and the it was literally nothing. They were like they asked us these questions and delayed our approval.
The bottomline is that these organizations are asking the government for favored tax status, they should be scrutinized. We have too many of these phony tax exempt political organizations.
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The original rules stated "exclusively" for common welfare and were changed to be "primarily" in 1959. OFA also has the exemption. But since Citizens United, hard to identify the primarily part. The rules need changing.
