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Old 11-01-2007, 01:48 PM
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Default Water crisis in Atlanta & other cities) crisis and population growth gov. limitatiions (merged)

The water crisis facing Atlanta and other cities down south has been given limited coverage in the newspaper but I have been following it closely. For some reason most people are in denial about the whole thing. What is more important than water? When Atlanta runs out of water early next year we will see a crisis that makes Hurricane Katrina look like nothing.

Much of the crisis is man made because we allowed the greater Atlanta area to grow faster than any city in American history without the infrastructure to keep it going. What has happened to the greater Atlanta area is such a shame. It used to be so nice, now so many trees have been felled and 2 million people have moved into the area in the last 20 years mostly living in cooker cutter subdivisions without any charm.

Your in charge, what should we do about the upcoming crisis in Atlanta and other Southern Cities?
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Pray for Rain?

Seriously the southeast is just beginning to dry up and change from a dry forest with seasonal heavy rain to a grassy savannah environment with much less reliable rainfall. This will have a very large effect on the society, economy and infrastructure required to support the population density currently living there.

The interim solution will likely require more water storage, less agricultural consumption and eventually lower population. All of this will have to factor in the climate change (for whatever reason) that will increase sea levels and dislocate several millions people. This type of regional planning and action should be done with the resources of the federal government. Getting a government capable of the job is another mater.

This is likely to be the most important and difficult problem facing our nation in the next fifty years. The wars over oil profits will pale in comparison to this slow disaster.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:18 PM
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Pray for Rain?

Seriously the southeast is just beginning to dry up and change from a dry forest with seasonal heavy rain to a grassy savannah environment with much less reliable rainfall. This will have a very large effect on the society, economy and infrastructure required to support the population density currently living there.

The interim solution will likely require more water storage, less agricultural consumption and eventually lower population. All of this will have to factor in the climate change (for whatever reason) that will increase sea levels and dislocate several millions people. This type of regional planning and action should be done with the resources of the federal government. Getting a government capable of the job is another mater.

This is likely to be the most important and difficult problem facing our nation in the next fifty years. The wars over oil profits will pale in comparison to this slow disaster.

Yep. I agree whole heartily on that. I've been watching the great lakes for a little while now and they are getting record lows right now. Now maybe some say it a natural cycle and a lot say it ain't. I'd rather see the government and privates companies error on the side of caution and work contain the water loss problems as much as possible. Because if they don't and the water dries up. Well GregW you already stated the obvious earlier. except this is worse in one respect that is that it going to be an international issue since most the the great lake boarder Canada as well.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:44 PM
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Your in charge, what should we do about the upcoming crisis in Atlanta and other Southern Cities?
I would just relax if I were in charge. FEMA is fast and efficient in providing all that is needed...




Seriously though, part of their problem is that around a billion gallons of water per day are being drained out of one of the lakes because of some usage downstream that are energy and economy related.

Honestly though, people have been blowing this off for a long time, until it has neared an imminent danger of completely running out of drinking water.

I wish cities would restrict water usage at residences. Not that I'm a big fan of government control, but water is a 100% SHARED resource. I can guarantee you there have been tons of people in their homes taking long baths, keeping the pool filled, washing the cars, watering the lawns, making yard goldfish ponds or waterfalls, and all other sorts of things. I have no problem with that when the water levels are fine. But as soon as they start dropping, people need to be put on rations. Nothing real low, but a level that would decrease the overall average usage by about 10%. If early steps were taken, it would help prevent some of these large nightmares.
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Default Due to upcoming water crisis, how should the government limit population growth in places with inadequate water?

Within the next few years, we will be facing a huge water crisis in many American Cities. Much of the blame is due to sprawl and lack of long term planning. In many cities, like Las Vegas and Atlanta, there are just to many people moving into their metro areas in relation to the water infrastructure. It will be a crisis very soon and after the finger pointing, growth of these cities will have to stop.

Your in charge, how do we stop the rapid population growth of these sprawl cities without limiting Americans right to move to the community of their choice and destroy local economies?
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:52 PM
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The water crisis facing Atlanta and other cities down south has been given limited coverage in the newspaper but I have been following it closely. For some reason most people are in denial about the whole thing. What is more important than water? When Atlanta runs out of water early next year we will see a crisis that makes Hurricane Katrina look like nothing.

Much of the crisis is man made because we allowed the greater Atlanta area to grow faster than any city in American history without the infrastructure to keep it going. What has happened to the greater Atlanta area is such a shame. It used to be so nice, now so many trees have been felled and 2 million people have moved into the area in the last 20 years mostly living in cooker cutter subdivisions without any charm.

Your in charge, what should we do about the upcoming crisis in Atlanta and other Southern Cities?
First thing I'd do would be to secure our borders and start throwing out millions of illegals. Then I'd enact stricter local controls on growth. Our cities need to be planned better. Just because the US is such a huge country doesn't mean we can handle unchecked population growth. We have reached the point where population growth is now affecting our standard of living.

This is actually an extremely critical issue and something more and more cities and some entire states will have to deal with and it's part of a much bigger problem. Unchecked and unplanned growth puts heavy and unexpected demands on water, power, freeways, and other services. Water rationing is going to become common in the future. Water your lawn on the wrong day and you'll get a ticket. Many freeways are packed with so many people they are handling twice the number of people they are designed for. Power brownouts and blackouts are now common in many areas of the country. Sewers installed a generation ago are breaking apart causing damage to roads. And the days when two cops are in every patrol car have been replaced in many areas with a recording when you dial 911.

This nation has doubled its population in a little over fifty years. If growth projections are correct then it's going to double again in much less time than it took the last time. We have a very narrow opportunity to right the ship. The push towards a NAU will not help either. The key to solving the problem is to slow down our population growth, not realign the nations in North America in a manner that's going to allow huge population growth in our cities from Mexico.
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How about charge market rates for water utilization?
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The Weather Channel was excited about the rain. I thought it was starting to be over now?
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:20 PM
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You mentioned Katrina, On TV they showed how those giant pumps keep the water out of New Or., how about hooking up a giant pipeline from there and pump the water to Georgia ?
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There is plenty of water; it's just that a lot of it now goes to agriculture. Georgia may be forced to decide between agriculture and the water needs of its cities. My bet is that agriculture will take a hit. The same is true of Colorado. Cities like Aurora need the water that farmers are using. I suspect they will eventually get that water.
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