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Old 05-11-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: NJ
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You obviously mean the choice as well as right for workers to freeload off the union until the point is reached in which the union no longer has the money needed to contest the boss whenever he chooses to run over the terms of the labor contract.
Perhaps if union bosses were paid less than half a million and if they stopped spending mega-millions on politics, they would have more money to actually support the core function they were designed to do.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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You obviously mean the choice as well as right for workers to freeload off the union until the point is reached in which the union no longer has the money needed to contest the boss whenever he chooses to run over the terms of the labor contract. So this right to work thing is really not at all about worker rights. Far, far from it. Instead, it's about giving the boss better ability to bust the damned union and throw it out. Anybody, who can't see right to work for what it really is just isn't too bright.
Then why cant you find me an example of a union job making 3x as much money as a non union job doing the same exact thing? After all, that was your claim..
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Nonsense. Again, not believable.

If companies COMMONLY take care of their employees the way you were taken care of, name me 10 other companies where the same exact scenario would've played out the way it happened to you...3 months of 100% pay and Rolls-Royce insurance, retirement, 401...etc.

It's amazing...in the rest of America, they've watched their pay and benefits plummet in recent years, especially with the recession.

But on C-D, everyone has it so great. Hell, another poster claimed to work for a company that pays far above industry standards with all the same Cadillac benefits you claim to have.

Why don't you people name these corporations? I think I work for a damn good company myself, but there's no way in hell that I can make the claims that some of you are making without stretching credulity to fantastic lengths.
Sorry, I am actually telling you the truth, I sent you a direct message with more info.

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Old 05-11-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Anti Union or anti Union extremism? Its a well known fact that Unions protect the least productive worker as aggressively as they do their most productive members. The teachers Unions are notorious for this. The Chrysler workers who were caught drinking and smoking pot while at work???
Only a fool would deny the good that Unions help to drive in this nation in years past. Only a fool would deny that Unions have also put a good many companies out of business. It is a global economy, our companies need to be able to compete. I work in a nonunion factory. We are paid better than our Union counterparts in other like factories in the area. The bottom line is case cost. The largest portion of case cost is cost of labor. Teams are downsized to meet cost. In years past a team was staffed where we could carry some dead weight, but not today. If we were Union we would be forced to endure the dead weight or worse still priced out of business. In my area sever factories closed down just because of this. Unions refused to compromise.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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Sorry, I am actually telling you the truth.
Sorry? Damn that!

You postulated that your situation is the norm, not the exception.

Give me 10 companies where the rank and file is treated with equal generosity as you supposedly are at your company.

And I'm not talking about executives.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Nonsense. Again, not believable.

If companies COMMONLY take care of their employees the way you were taken care of, name me 10 other companies where the same exact scenario would've played out the way it happened to you...3 months of 100% pay and Rolls-Royce insurance, retirement, 401...etc.

It's amazing...in the rest of America, they've watched their pay and benefits plummet in recent years, especially with the recession.

But on C-D, everyone has it so great. Hell, another poster claimed to work for a company that pays far above industry standards with all the same Cadillac benefits you claim to have.

Why don't you people name these corporations? I think I work for a damn good company myself, but there's no way in hell that I can make the claims that some of you are making without stretching credulity to fantastic lengths.
21 years I have worked for Procter and Gamble. I have never had a pay cut. I have an excellent retirement plan, insurance and we make a lot more than the average in the area. We have had changes. Staffing downsized. Do more with less. Yet we have been able to do it by improving methods and Technology. All things Unions would have resisted. Our plant is more productive than our Union counterparts and our case cost is lower. If the company needs to close a plant it wont be ours.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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But you strongly want mandatory overtime to stop? Right?
Actually, I don't think you can be forced to work overtime. I am of course not sure, I am not an attorney, but I remember somewhere reading that you cannot be forced to work overtime.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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What's your problem, bob? Drowning yourself in moonshine tonight?
No I leave that for you union boys. The salaries of union execs are available on the web, I would venture a bet that no one involved in running the original UAW was paid so many times more than the members. Unions lost their way, bankrupted industries, and now they are an itty bitty speck of the American workplace.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Springville, AL
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I'm usually neutral on union issues and the labor unions are majority political figure for many decades.

I believe that non-union workers at unionized workplaces shouldn't take advantage of union related benefits or representatives, such as health insurance, pay negotiation, worker compensation, sick leave, vacation pay, etc that are part of contract agreement. That means non-union workers should deal with employer for pay and benefits, instead of union representatives. I don't believe that anyone should forced to join the unions.

Some of my families worked at unionized workplaces, especially my grandfather was one of them and he worked very hard - 1950's until retired in early 1990's due to brain/lung cancer so he died from those cancer in 1995. How good or bad are unions, are depending on individual unions - there are good and bad unions everywhere.

Back in 1970's, some union workers attacked students because students protested against Vietnam War, so it wasn't pretty for sure.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Springville, AL
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Actually, I don't think you can be forced to work overtime. I am of course not sure, I am not an attorney, but I remember somewhere reading that you cannot be forced to work overtime.
The employers are required to pay half more if you go work overtime and I was forced to work few hours more at Walmart, but I just got half pay more or get out of job so early in next day - if I worked 11 hours today, so that means I work 5 hours tomorrow, for example.

I resigned from Walmart because of numerous accidents and medical condition, so no more Walmart for me.
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