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Old 05-13-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Hell, I personally think the really really really bad guys are the guys they see in the freaking mirror every morning.
That's what many FBI agents say when they leave the bureau.

I wonder if FBI Director Robert Mueller will look back with regret when he leaves in September? His tenure has been a stain on the bureau which has degenerated in to a secret police under his leadership.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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I don't think BO is the subject here. What people? Socialist? This has been happening for awhile. The flavor of ice cream in the ceo seat really is a small part.
Happening for awhile? Uh, the FBI just asked for this extra authority. And uh, again, who is the president? I believe its Obummer. The Director of the FBI wouldn't go to congress and ask for increased powers, if Obummer was not already in the loop and had given his blessing. That isn't how politics work in Washington.

If Obummer was so much against increasing federal law enforcement power, he would put a quash to this. He isn't and no one is saying a word. All the socialist's who just want money from him and their "social safety net" funded in anyway possible, are lining up with their thickest knee pads, for more. And they are FOOLS.

Obummer can FIRE the director of the FBI, without cause and without reason.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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“I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom," then-Senator Obama said in 2007. "That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens, no more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime, no more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war, no more breaking the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are and that is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists.”

Don't Mention It: Patriot Act - The Takeaway
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:17 PM
 
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Happening for awhile? Uh, the FBI just asked for this extra authority. And uh, again, who is the president? I believe its Obummer. The Director of the FBI wouldn't go to congress and ask for increased powers, if Obummer was not already in the loop and had given his blessing. That isn't how politics work in Washington.

If Obummer was so much against increasing federal law enforcement power, he would put a quash to this. He isn't and no one is saying a word. All the socialist's who just want money from him and their "social safety net" funded in anyway possible, are lining up with their thickest knee pads, for more. And they are FOOLS.

Obummer can FIRE the director of the FBI, without cause and without reason.
Not talking about the office just the trend. Yes it has been happening via the back door for quite a long time as articles have shown. I agree Obama could do that, but sorry I think the CEO is taking orders from elsewhere. This really started going off the deep end under the Patriot Act and has gone downhill from there. Every alphabet agency including the IRS has been announcing, claiming new abilities and access over the internet this year. I don't see how this kind of behaviour has anything to do with socialism though.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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They more than have enough abilities now. The more information that is consolidated the greater the security risk. The same for powers. If someone has access to your email for example, which they already do, they can actually alter "evidence" as well and control data. They are simply asking for more free reign access under the Big T, which allows them to do whatever they want with no due process. Digital environments work both ways. The implications are huge.
I agree with you, especially about the authorities altering evidence. I believe that somewhat often, police agents alter evidence to get more convictions.

Have a good one,
Chad.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:48 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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If you think the FBI is going to fix these issues.......wake up, that's not why they want free access to personal communication.

They are the FBI and they're here to help.............themselves, not you.
Large corporations and Americas rich, are losing massive amounts of money from online crime. And the FBI and other US law enforcement agencies (are going to fix these issues.)

The internet is a new technology and law enforcement, has not yet had the time to properly police it.

Plus countries like China are trying to hack into our computers.
Do you honestly think the US military and the FBI, are not going to try their best to stop this ??

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Old 05-14-2013, 01:23 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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You have nothing to hide from the FBI. But is it possible that an overzealous agency might have a different perspective about your online activity? Or might borrow private information and misuse it?

I am a law abiding citizen. But I am also a curious person. I would hate for a search about "ammonium nitrate" to be misinterpreted as something other than intellectual curiosity.
I do not like or trust the US government, but I love and trust the (personnel) of the US military, FBI, CIA, and local US police departments. And I trust the FBI not to misuse my online data.

Plus the FBI can already find out (anything) about you.

I think that maybe people are missing the following fact. The internet is a new technology, and US policing agencies have not yet had the time/experience to properly police it.
People do banking, business, money transfers, and shopping online. With so much money and important information online, the US government must take steps to make it safe.

And perhaps even more importantly is internet communication. The FBI will be able to use their new data center to catch some dangerous people.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:36 AM
 
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No, agents are not reading forums.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that! I think I've already identified at least two government dis-information specialists here.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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I do not like or trust the US government, but I love and trust the (personnel) of the US military, FBI, CIA, and local US police departments. And I trust the FBI not to misuse my online data.

Plus the FBI can already find out (anything) about you.

I think that maybe people are missing the following fact. The internet is a new technology, and US policing agencies have not yet had the time/experience to properly police it.
People do banking, business, money transfers, and shopping online. With so much money and important information online, the US government must take steps to make it safe.

And perhaps even more importantly is internet communication. The FBI will be able to use their new data center to catch some dangerous people.
Who do you think runs the US government? It doesn't run by itself, it is an organization that it is run by people. The President is employed by the people as are those in the US military, FBI and the CIA. All of them are, for all intents and purposes, considered "personnel", the very people that you put your misguided trust in.

You are being duped into believing that giving up your right to privacy is a good thing because its going to make us safer and "catch some dangerous people". We have the right to privacy, and this is one more right that is being taken away . You just can't see how our rights and freedoms are being stripped away from us while being sold some line of crap as to how it's a good thing.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:25 AM
 
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The really dangerous people are those that want to take our rights away.
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