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I see you have to go back about 100 or so years.....lol.
Guess what? You didn't say conservatives, you said right-wingers.
You'd be surprised how things change when you don't live in that past anymore.......Democrats were in charge in the South which opposed school desegregation, passed Jim Crow laws, and formed the KKK after Republican Abe Linvoln freed the slaves.
In the 60's I was a hippie and my views were called far left wing. I have the same views today, but they are now considered right leaning or libertarian.
Today, John Kennedy would be considered far right and wouldn't get a single Democrat to support him.
And BTW.....Richard Nixon passed more civil rights legislation than any other President.
Oh and Dr ML King was a Republican.
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Do you know the difference between "liberal", and "democrat"?
Also, you seem to be defensive enough on the race issue to derail the topic.
Yeah conservative democrats were the party of slavery, and fought reform until the 1960s when the parties switched ideology. The mentality is conservative Ayn Rand "pragmatism" (the "virtue of selfishness") - getting yours, no matter the party.
The hippies were not "total privatization" libertarians, far from it. How can you say that?
Are you somehow connecting any of this to the problems of Detroit?
And the Kennedys far right? What have you been.... Oh yeah, the '60s.
Oakland county is one of the wealthiest counties in the country, it used to be number four, it's fallen a bit, but still in the top ten or fifteen depending on measurement variables. Per capita income is very high, the residents are mostly urban professionals. It's a great place to raise a family, most of the area has very good schools. All of the cities are beautiful and well kept, some are absolutely gorgeous and filled with multi million dollar homes. It looks nothing like what comes to mind when most people think of Detroit. Most of Wayne County, which is to the west of the city is also very nice, it's just more traditionally working class, so it has suffered more from the lack of manufacturing jobs, but most areas look just like most typical US suburbs.
The glut of ruin porn has created an absolutely ridiculous idea of what living in metro Detroit is like. Around 4 million people live in metro Detroit, there are only a few areas that are burned out and abandoned, Detroit has more than most, but all US cities have terrible, crime ridden neighborhoods full of graffiti and abandoned buildings. Most of metro Detroit, and many parts of the city proper are quite nice and look no different neighborhoods in the rest of the country.
Oakland county does begin at 8 mile, it's north of the city, but it's no longer a dividing line between black and white, many black people also moved to Oakland County to get away from Detroit's crime and horrific schools. It is a dividing line for poverty and rampant crime. If one wishes to buy, or sell drugs, or get away with criminal activity, they mostly need to cross into the city proper if they don't wish to be caught and prosecuted. Almost all of the surrounding cities of metro Detroit have excellent police services, and are filled with hard working, law abiding citizens who take pride in their homes and neighborhoods.
I did look up some info on Oakland county. I went to the Oakland county website. Oakland county is huge. I mean there are dozens of towns or cities or villages within Oakland county.
It is hard to get a read on are all of these cities, towns, and villages similar in Oakland county or does vast differences exist between all of those different municipalities within Oakland county?
It is difficult to get a read on how Oakland county is connected to Detroit and how it was able to thrive while Detroit has been in decline.
I live in cook county in IL which is the same county as the city of Chicago. There are over 5million people who live in cook county. I think I read that there are over 100 different municipalities within cook county and they are vastly different from one another.
Some municipalities like Glencoe, Kenilworth, Winnetka, Golf, South Barrington, etc are the wealthiest in IL and are almost, with the exception of South Barrington, all white, and some like Robbins and Ford Heights are the poorest are almost all black, and there are a lot of places in between those extremes.
So there is not one Cook county. I am trying to see if Oakland county fits that same description.
I did look up some info on Oakland county. I went to the Oakland county website. Oakland county is huge. I mean there are dozens of towns or cities or villages within Oakland county.
It is hard to get a read on are all of these cities, towns, and villages similar in Oakland county or does vast differences exist between all of those different municipalities within Oakland county?
It is difficult to get a read on how Oakland county is connected to Detroit and how it was able to thrive while Detroit has been in decline.
I live in cook county in IL which is the same county as the city of Chicago. There are over 5million people who live in cook county. I think I read that there are over 100 different municipalities within cook county and they are vastly different from one another.
Some municipalities like Glencoe, Kenilworth, Winnetka, Golf, South Barrington, etc are the wealthiest in IL and are almost, with the exception of South Barrington, all white, and some like Robbins and Ford Heights are the poorest are almost all black, and there are a lot of places in between those extremes.
So there is not one Cook county. I am trying to see if Oakland county fits that same description.
Oakland is 75% white 85.7% not black. Per Capita income 36.3K per Household 66.4K. Those are all double Detroit. Its population is also increasing.
I did look up some info on Oakland county. I went to the Oakland county website. Oakland county is huge. I mean there are dozens of towns or cities or villages within Oakland county.
It is hard to get a read on are all of these cities, towns, and villages similar in Oakland county or does vast differences exist between all of those different municipalities within Oakland county?
It is difficult to get a read on how Oakland county is connected to Detroit and how it was able to thrive while Detroit has been in decline.
I live in cook county in IL which is the same county as the city of Chicago. There are over 5million people who live in cook county. I think I read that there are over 100 different municipalities within cook county and they are vastly different from one another.
Some municipalities like Glencoe, Kenilworth, Winnetka, Golf, South Barrington, etc are the wealthiest in IL and are almost, with the exception of South Barrington, all white, and some like Robbins and Ford Heights are the poorest are almost all black, and there are a lot of places in between those extremes.
So there is not one Cook county. I am trying to see if Oakland county fits that same description.
No, it does not sound like it's similar to Cook County. There are definitely money differences among the various cities, with some being exceptionally wealthy and some being more middle class, but for the most part almost all of the cities are at least middle class, and most will have some upper middle class areas as well. There is a mix of black and white, but the black areas are definitely middle to upper middle class, very nice attractive neighborhoods with plenty of active businesses, very low crime, and good schools.
Houses, and taxes are often significantly more expensive than in Wayne County. The poor tend to stay in the city proper. The working/lower middle class who chose to leave the city would likely go to a Wayne County suburb. Cook County sounds more like Wayne County which does have some well off areas, as well as the city proper.
The main reason for the difference is Oakland County attracts most of the educated, white collar professionals of Metro Detroit (black and white) for the most part they have weathered the recession much better than the working class who tend to live in Wayne C. The cities in Oakland County also tend to have very nice older downtown areas with dining, shopping, and entertainment that appeal to professional types, they tend to serve as neighborhoods do in other cities. In Wayne County one is more likely to see suburban strip malls.
It's not like there was no struggle here, the whole country struggled, but the white collar workforce just wasn't hit as hard, and recovered quickly. I have actually met a surprising number of people who actually moved here for work because companies will sometimes have to bring in educated professionals from other states. For the most part those who were devastated by the recession and lack of manufacturing jobs were the working and lower middle class who tended to live in the Wayne County suburbs. Many of them were absolutely devastated and are still struggling. Those jobs are gone and don't seem likely to come back.
No, it does not sound like it's similar to Cook County. There are definitely money differences among the various cities, with some being exceptionally wealthy and some being more middle class, but for the most part almost all of the cities are at least middle class, and most will have some upper middle class areas as well. There is a mix of black and white, but the black areas are definitely middle to upper middle class, very nice attractive neighborhoods with plenty of active businesses, very low crime, and good schools.
Houses, and taxes are often significantly more expensive than in Wayne County. The poor tend to stay in the city proper. The working/lower middle class who chose to leave the city would likely go to a Wayne County suburb. Cook County sounds more like Wayne County which does have some well off areas, as well as the city proper.
The main reason for the difference is Oakland County attracts most of the educated, white collar professionals of Metro Detroit, for the most part they have weathered the recession much better than the working class who tend to live in Wayne C. The cities in Oakland County also tend to have very nice older downtown areas with dining, shopping, and entertainment that appeal to professional types, they tend to serve as neighborhoods do in other cities. In Wayne County one is more likely to see suburban strip malls.
It's not like there was no struggle here, the whole country struggled, but the white collar workforce just wasn't hit as hard, and recovered quickly. I have actually met a surprising number of people who actually moved here for work because companies will sometimes have to bring in educated professionals from other states. For the most part those who were devastated by the recession and lack of manufacturing jobs were the working and lower middle class who tended to live in the Wayne County suburbs. Many of them were devastated and still struggling.
Oakland is 75% white 85.7% not black. Per Capita income 36.3K per Household 66.4K. Those are all double Detroit. Its population is also increasing.
The county is still predominately white, and still quite segregated, often to the point of being ridiculous. Southfield is about 70% black, it's mostly middle class professionals, it's a very nice area. I often shop in Southfield, I find they tend to have to best run stores, always well stocked with very helpful employees. They are very close to mostly white neighborhoods, but I see so few white people shopping there. Detroit has such a long history of segregation, it's hard for people to move past it.
When I was looking at property I noticed there was are a small but growing number of black people who live in Beverly Hills, which is an upper middle class city, the median household income is 96K.
Another important aspect to keep in mind when thinking about Detroit is that Southfield in Oakland County has a huge business district with many office towers. Southfield's amount of office space actually surpasses that of Detroit's central business district. More than 100 Fortune 500 companies have offices in Southfield, much of Detroit's business activity is not actually located in Detroit.
In most other cities those businesses would likely be located in the major cities downtown. Fortunately, this has been turning around. Businesses are starting to move back to downtown Detroit, restaurants, stores, and other services are popping up to serve them.
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