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Old 07-09-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Middle class neighborhoods in Detroit ( yes, there are plenty of them) typically pay out of pocket for private security and first responders because Detroit no longer has the manpower to take care of business.

 
Old 07-09-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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IT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WAGED WAR AND HAVOC WITH MICHIGAN AND DETROIT. IT WAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT ALLOWED NAFTA AND TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER.
So you're admitting that the Big 3 were so inefficient that they needed protectionism just to compete?

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DON'T BLAME DEMOCRATS TRYING TO ADDRESS BIGOTED SOUTHERNERS WHO MOVED TO DETROIT AND IMPOSED THEIR RACIST HOUSING LAWS ON BLACKS.
I'm pretty sure the great migration was the mass movement of blacks to the north, not whites.

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BOTH WHITES AND BLACKS ARE TO BLAME FOR THE PROBLEMS IN THE CITY OF DETROIT, BUT IT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT MOVED ALL THE JOBS OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. POST MANUFACTURING = REPUBLICAN POLICY.
We aren't in a post-manufacturing era... American manufacturing GDP is at an all-time high! We even have foreign companies coming here to open up automobile plants.

I never really forgave the whole Detroit area autoworkers for protesting against foreign plants being opened in southern states, and some of the nasty, hostile things they said publicly about southerners and southern workers. You're going to have a difficult time getting any sympathy from the nonunion parts of the country.

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Old 07-09-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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I live in Detroit and can afford to leave but, I choose to remain. Give us time, we'll be back.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: NJ
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We aren't in a post-manufacturing era... American manufacturing GDP is at an all-time high! We even have foreign companies coming here to open up automobile plants.

I never really forgave the whole Detroit area autoworkers for protesting against foreign plants being opened in southern states, and some of the nasty, hostile things they said publicly about southerners and southern workers. .
As we watched the D3 market share come to the transplants in the RTW states, we had the last laugh. That is the best reply-eat their lunch.

It wasn't the transplants eating humble pie begging DC for "More porage, sir" (aka the Bailout of 2008). It was the D3-bending at the knees.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It only took 46 yrs since the 67 riots. Many thought that within 50 yrs detroit would be dead. It is well on its way to being correct. When you tell the people with money we dont want you living here anymore and get out what do you expect to happen. Add on all the corrupt politicians that get elected, steal then get reelected based on their name and this is what you get. To think if not for the tigers/redwings owner and the lions owner and a few other billionares who are trying to rebuild the city, how much worse it would be right now.
The people with money lived in Grosse Point/Grosse Point Shores and Bloomfield Hills. Does anyone believe the Romney's or the Iacocoa's raised their families in Detroit?

Global competition and technology eliminated a huge number of auto manufacturing jobs. People had nowhere else to go. It's the same story allover the rust belt for those who depended on manufacturing jobs and businesses that once supported them.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Is it? Pittsburgh declined because of the decline in the American steel industry. But Pittsburgh came back and thrives today while Detroit rots. Why is that?
Pittsburgh faced insolvency about 10 years ago. They laid off about 500 workers and closed some schools. It was a bleak period in time.

The state gave Royal Dutch Shell, Europe’s biggest oil company, about $2 billion in tax credits to build a gas-fed chemical plant near Pittsburgh. They are riding the same wave as Texas and North Dakota in terms of unconventional gas extraction.

As I understand it, fracking in the Great Lakes is highly controversial.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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The department’s recent rate of solving cases was 8.7 percent, far lower, the officials acknowledge, than clearance rates in cities like Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and St. Louis.
I hope that is not the clearance rate for their murders. Milwaukee Police have something like a 50% or over 50% clearance rates on murders. An 8.7% clearance rate on murders would be the kind of clearance rates you see in Latin America's dangerous cities with underfunded cops and very limited technology.

Maybe the City of Milwaukee needs to buy a big chunk of real estate in Detroit and turn it into a huge area of brothels?
 
Old 07-09-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Detroit has been a rotting corpse for decades, not months, nor years.
yes and they have voted In the same progressive Marxist for decades.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Exactly, Pittsburgh turned itself around by embracing businesses and development. It issued lots of tax development tax credits to entice out of towners to invest in the city, develop shopping plazas where no one would touch them. Homestead(a subburb of Pittsburgh) was just like Detroit, and the city brought a guy in to build a giant shopping plaza and high priced retail shops. Everyone thought they were crazy, but now that facility funds a lot of tax revenues for the town and they are able to reinvest in police, roads, cut taxes, schools and lots of other things. It pretty much cost the town nothing to turn an old unwanted lot into a cash cow.
Nearby fracking is the basis for the turnaround in Pittsburgh. All else followed.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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Nearby fracking is the basis for the turnaround in Pittsburgh. All else followed.
Fracking is taking place north east of Pittsburgh, around the Youngstown Ohio area.. The hope is that area will turn around.

Most of Pittsburgh wont benefit from the fracking, Pittsburgh has been turning around well before that even entered the picture.

Here is a report done in 2007 about one such development project, responsible for taking Homestead out of bankruptcy.
http://www.cmu.edu/steinbrenner/brow...aterfront1.pdf

That project started in 1996
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