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Old 05-13-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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The Left HATES that Saddam was removed because the power vaccuum left didn't include radical Islamists. If it did, they would be fine with it.

Dubya succeeded in making Iran the dominant power in the Persian Gulf.

He did a heckuva job.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The Left HATES that Saddam was removed because the power vaccuum left didn't include radical Islamists. If it did, they would be fine with it.
No, the left hates wacky right-wing wackadoodles who think it's the job of the US to take care of any country but the US and the right-wing hypocrites who'd scream SOCIALISM! in horror at the mere mention of buying a Band-Aid for an American but who are just fine with spending US blood and $$$ to fight for people unwilling to fight for themselves. Your personal delusions about radical Islamists have nothing to do with it.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Didn't he say the war will cost about one "billiard"?
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Didn't he say the war will cost about one "billiard"?

The bill was less than $900 billion when President Bush left office. He is not responsible if the next guy decides to restart the war by ramping up in Afghanistan.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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The bill was less than $900 billion when President Bush left office. He is not responsible if the next guy decides to restart the war by ramping up in Afghanistan.

Bush should have ended the war in Afghanistan long before he left office. The fact that he didn't is just another in his long list of failures. Costly failures.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Ten years later, the Bush administration's projected price tag for the war in Iraq seems downright cute. According to the first-ever comprehensive count of the true toll of the combined wars, the estimate the administration used to sell the invasion in 2003 was about 100 times too low.

Charts: Bush Lowballed Us on Iraq by $6 Trillion | Mother Jones

10 years later, the Iraq war is still a failure - The Week

Other than the private contractors and warmongers that lined their pockets, what did the USA gain by this atrocity. Zero! gee, I wonder what else we could have used the money for.
$6 trillion dollars would be a check for $19,057.00 to every single man, woman and child in the U.S. today (around 316 million of us). Of course, we didn't GET this money--that's the amount each of us would have to pay, just to pay for this particular pointless war. But not everyone pays federal income taxes; of the approx. 146 million filers, about 47% paid nothing or got money back from the IRS. With 77.38 million families or singles sharing the burden of paying for Washington's corruption and irresponsibility, they each owe $77,539 for the Iraq War. Overall, they each owe $216,710 as their share of the $16,769,000,000,000 Washington owes to other nations and buyers of treasury securities.

The sole benefit from military spending is employment and investment wealth derived from producing military arms. I would argue that keeping the world in constant war and profiting from arming other nations is simply evil, and no more honorable than spending trillions to develop new lethal diseases and pestilences to release in the world. Burning that same amount of money would be preferable.

If our economy is so perverted that Government must continually spend huge amounts of money in a way that does not compete with private industry, we should go back to a space program that resulted in the invention of the computer, GPS systems, freeze dried foods, cochlear implants, and countless other medical and scientific breakthroughs. Paying scientists and engineers to improve the world is an infinitely better approach than paying Military lobbyists to order yet another foreign war, or paying Boeing $314 million for 20 fancy new bombs. Air Force receives first batch of 30,000-pound bombs from Boeing - Los Angeles Times

Historically empires had huge militaries because they went out and stole resources from their less militaristic neighbors, making it a self-funding enterprise. But today it is the working citizens of America who bear 100% of the cost of the military--since even when we spend trillions to protect the Mideast oil supply, we still buy it on the open market just like any other nation.



A recent survey shows overwhelming public support for cuts in military spending, with 75% of men and 78% of women supporting immediate cuts. Americans on average want $103 billion cut from the current $562 billion base defense budget. Public overwhelmingly supports large defense spending cuts | The Center for Public Integrity This survey reveals an even higher percentage of Americans wanting military spending cut than was previously thought, with the difference being that actual factual information was presented, and experts from both sides argued for and against cutting military spending.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Oh to have GW back in the Oval Office!!!

Anybody would be better than Obama.............
+1. Ain't that the truth!
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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+1. Ain't that the truth!
Hell Yeah! We would already be nuking Iran.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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Ten years later, the Bush administration's projected price tag for the war in Iraq seems downright cute. According to the first-ever comprehensive count of the true toll of the combined wars, the estimate the administration used to sell the invasion in 2003 was about 100 times too low.

Charts: Bush Lowballed Us on Iraq by $6 Trillion | Mother Jones

10 years later, the Iraq war is still a failure - The Week


Other than the private contractors and warmongers that lined their pockets, what did the USA gain by this atrocity. Zero! gee, I wonder what else we could have used the money for.
Yep, he certainly did. Obama has lowballed us on Obamacare also. Tit for tat and both of them suck the big one.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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The Iraq War ENDED in 2003 when Saddam Hussein was captured and the Republican Guard defeated.

What is the current bill for the Korean War? It has never been officially ended.
We have no business in Korea either. We should've left 30 years ago.
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The Left HATES that Saddam was removed because the power vaccuum left didn't include radical Islamists. If it did, they would be fine with it.
Ok...how much money was his removal worth? Gimme a number.
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