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Old 06-17-2014, 04:27 AM
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Charity is only one small part of social conscience, and indeed a part that no one can even pretend to have reasonable metrics on: The measure of a society is how it treats its most vulnerable members, meaning charitable donations that go toward anything other than outreach to the poor doesn't qualify as contributing to society's obligation to those less fortunate. Until there is a way to ensure that charity goes exclusively to helping the poor live their lives, it is foolish to try to make pretensions based on amount of charitable deductions taken from tax form, or any such unqualified measures. As others have pointed out, charity is directed - effectively it can be more about the donor making themselves feel better about themselves and less about doing what's best to help those most vulnerable in society. A mature, caring society acts collaboratively to address the needs of those most vulnerable in society, not haphazardly. If you want to understand the moral fiber of someone, don't be deceived by them paying a high price for a luxurious pew in a beautiful house of worship. Focus instead on how much they're willing to array the institutions of society toward making sure rising tides lift all boats. Focus instead on how much they're willing to support changes in society that perhaps aren't in their own personal interest but instead makes life better for those less fortunate.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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And let me guess, you voted for lord/serfdom the last 2 times right? LMAO! What's the debt now? Do you even know? No blaming Bush either....
Obama and the Democratic Congress from 2007 to 2012 put a new meaning to deficit spending. While they were mostly responsible for the Housing bubble.
Waters and Dodd lied to congress on the state of Fanny Mae and Mac.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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Obama and the Democratic Congress from 2007 to 2012 put a new meaning to deficit spending. While they were mostly responsible for the Housing bubble.
Waters and Dodd lied to congress on the state of Fanny Mae and Mac.
No they didn't. That was called Bush Tax Cuts.

Tax cuts do not increase revenue
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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People should know that with the majority of people in the Red States, such as Oklahoma, that when they vote they really are voting in their best interests. And, by far, the most important interests to them is to ban abortion and stop the homosexual agenda. Next, almost as important is protecting the right to have a gun. Other interests, such as supporting education, a better highway system, at better economy and more jobs, improving public health, run well behind those top three issues.
Everyone I know in my red state had the economy as their primary concern. When the economy suffers, everyone suffers. It was left-wingers who kept making social issues the platform of the 2012 election; healthcare, contraception, gay marriage, the war on women, immigration, etc. were made into sideshows to distract from this administration's failures to improve our economy.
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:39 AM
 
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People should know that with the majority of people in the Red States, such as Oklahoma, that when they vote they really are voting in their best interests. And, by far, the most important interests to them is to ban abortion and stop the homosexual agenda. Next, almost as important is protecting the right to have a gun. Other interests, such as supporting education, a better highway system, at better economy and more jobs, improving public health, run well behind those top three issues.
Exactly.

Based upon the national voting scene and piles of my own personal experiences that verify that national-level data on an individual level, the average RWNJ cares about the following things in order:

1) Denying as many rights as possible to "those people" - minorities, gays, people of other religions, and women.

2) Guns (but only for people like them - other people, such as minorities, can be killed on sight if you "feel threatened" by them being armed.)

3) Killing "those people" overseas with endless war.

4) Reducing government spending, except for stuff old people want even if the nation can't afford it.

5) Everything else: jobs, healthcare, the economy in general, infrastructure, etc.

As long as we're stuck dealing with about 1/3 of the nation with such backward and downright disgusting agendas, our nation will continue to lag behind other developed nations and be a haven for extremists, idiots, and lunatics.
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