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Old 05-20-2013, 07:12 AM
 
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I'm having a hard time hearing the conversation going on, what was the reasoning behind having him removed? What caused him to be "out of order"?
It appears he was asked to keep his comments "on the bill".
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:32 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Have attened a few of these meetings on different subjects and the one thing that made me insane was that the moderators allowed people to wildly stray from the intent of the hearing. Never saw a hearing managed properly to keep focus. They all seem to take the chafe with the wheat.

The concern is the moderator may act subjectively and under the guise of maintaining focus, can supress comment.

How were other off subject comments handled in this meeting? Did the moderator have to redirect other commnets to keep on track? Did the moderator show bias toward this guy?
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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Have attened a few of these meetings on different subjects and the one thing that made me insane...
The bill in question is a gun control bill, I don't see where he is going off topic especially where they cut him off. At that point he's making the assetion the bill will make more people victims, it's a valid argument whether you agree with it or not.

The mistake he made was to say he would holler after being accused of it but he wasn't hollering to begin with.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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So then this guy should have opened fire killing everyone in the room who disagreed with him? What's the cash prize for dumbest post ever?
Isn't that what gun lovers promote with their whole 'cold, dead, hands' shtick?
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Old 05-21-2013, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Isn't that what gun lovers promote with their whole 'cold, dead, hands' shtick?
Killing a room full of innocent people? Not so much. Try again.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Can't help noticing the biased journalism from the right. This is from a real news source.
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.As the hearing progressed, gun rights advocates grew more frustrated. Committee Chairman Donald Norcross (D-Camden) asked James Kaleda, 36, to keep his comments relevant to one of the bills being heard. “I am on the bill. And I will be heard," Kaleda said.

"You're out of order," Norcross said.

"This hearing's out of order," Kaleda replied.
Norcross then told Kaleda to leave. He wouldn't. So he was escorted out by state troopers.
N.J. Senate committee approves slate of gun control bills | NJ.com

Seems a reasonable response for someone ignoring the Speaker of the Chamber. If you are disrespectful to the Chair and won't follow te rules, you get tossed.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Can't help noticing the biased journalism from the right. This is from a real news source.
N.J. Senate committee approves slate of gun control bills | NJ.com

Seems a reasonable response for someone ignoring the Speaker of the Chamber. If you are disrespectful to the Chair and won't follow te rules, you get tossed.
Can't help noticing the pathetic deflection from the left. Disagreeing with someone is being disrespectful?
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Can't help noticing the pathetic deflection from the left. Disagreeing with someone is being disrespectful?
The chair asked him to keep to the bill at hand. He didn't. The chair then said he was out of order, which the guy responded, " this hearing is out of order." That's disrespectful and the chair asked him to leave. He didn't. Then the chair asked the police to eject him.

That's reasonable. One doesn't have the right to abuse testimony.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The chair asked him to keep to the bill at hand. He didn't. The chair then said he was out of order, which the guy responded, " this hearing is out of order." That's disrespectful and the chair asked him to leave. He didn't. Then the chair asked the police to eject him.

That's reasonable. One doesn't have the right to abuse testimony.
One doesn't have the right to remove someone from a hearing because they disagree with them but that's what happened.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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According to the sound of the crowd, a vote was taken for him to stay.

At that point is where the people should have grown a backbone and stood their ground, demanding the trooper release him.
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