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Old 05-22-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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No. You are incorrect.

1795 Naturalization Act restricts citizenship to "free white persons" who reside in the United States for five years and renounce their allegiance to their former country.

1798 The Alien and Sedition Acts permit the President to deport any foreigner deemed to be dangerous.

1870 Naturalization Act limits American citizenship to "white persons and persons of African descent," barring Asians from U.S. citizenship.

1892 Ellis Island opens; serves as processing center for 12 million immigrants over the next 30 years.
Nothing about what you just posted shows any evidence to support your claim.

So you are comfortable with your ancestors gaining entry by simply showing up so that they could have a better life, but you want to deny that right to someone else? How noble of you. If your ancestors thought as you did, you wouldn't exist today.
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Old 05-22-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The big difference is they are here for the free bees but don't want to be citizens .. that is why they come and go--- back to Mexico and come back over the wall or in a nafta truck over the border..
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Old 05-22-2013, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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For example in Mexico's constitution Chapter 2, Article 30, paragraph 2, states that you are a Mexican by birth if born on foreign territory, sons or daughters of Mexican parents born in national territory.
Really?

*sniff, sniff*

I smell a troll.
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Old 05-22-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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Anchors are babies of illegals unlawfully present. As an example I presented earlier. Mexico's constitution claims them as Mexicans.
they'd have mexican citizenship regardless of if the parents were here legally or illegally. same is true for most other countries.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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They are citizens for the same reason you are: they were born in the USA. And that is according to the US Constitution.
No it is assumed according to the misinterpretation of the 14th amendment on birthright citizenship. Let's take it to the Supreme Court for review.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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How are parents "illegal?" That doesn't even make sense.
Is this a serious question? A foreigner can be in a country illegally if they don't have authorization by the government allowing them to be here. Let's not play games here.

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Old 05-22-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Does not.

My parents are American. Illegal aliens are not.

These children are nationals and citizens of another country.
I am sorry, but you are factually wrong. According to existing law, these children are US citizens by virtue of the fact they were born in the US. If you want to change that, you are going to have to try and amend the US Constitution. You don't get to just say the law is whatever you want it to be because you don't like certain people.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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But that isn't what the US Constitution says. According to the US Constitution, people born in the US are citizens, regardless of their parents' immigration status. Here in the US, we don't punish children for their parents' illegal acts. If you think we should, try amending the Constitution.

What the constitution says under the 14th amendment is "AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Illegal aliens nor their anchors are under our jurisdiction in most every sense of the word. They are only subject to our laws by not violating them while on our soil. And FYI, it has nothing to do with not liking certain people. If these were white parents here illegally giving birth on our soil I would be saving the same thing.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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What the constitution says under the 14th amendment is "AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Illegal aliens nor their anchors are under our jurisdiction in most every sense of the word. They are only subject to our laws by not violating them while on our soil.
That interpretation of the wording goes against 150 years of standing legal precedent. Good luck making your case.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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Here's a link to the Constitution of the United States. The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net Let me suggest, OP, that you go read the 14th Amendment, which starts out: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

You'll notice that it says absolutely nothing about a citizen's parents. It didn't take a Supreme Court ruling to make that the law of the land. It says so in plain English. It happened when the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868. That was 145 years ago.
Here's your clue above....AND subject to the jurisidiction thereof. Go back in history to understand what that meant by the writers of the 14th Amendment. It didn't mean that babies born from illegal alien parents (who are subject to the jurisdiction of their homelands) were to be granted birthright citizenship.
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