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People's ignorance to the law is astonishing to say the least. I am not taking side but just want to point out the ignorance. I am not a lawyer so do your own due diligence:
1. Following someone is not illegal. For "following someone" to become illegal, you need to establish a trend to show repeated behavior to a point of being harassment.
2. Disobeying "orders" from 911 dispatch is not illegal.
You are a free citizen of the state. Unless you are doing something illegal or endangering other people's life, even the president of the United States can't order you to do anything.
3. Stand Your Ground law doesn't allow you to shoot just because you "feel" you are in some danger. No, you can't shoot someone because he looked at you in a wrong way and hope not going to be charged for First Degree Murder. Your fear of danger needs to be judged based on "reasonableness", in another word, what a reasonable person would do when he was in your shoes. This is the fundamental of our law system.
4. One thing a lot people forget is that Zimmerman was not on the public street. He was in a private, gated community where he was a legal resident and home owner. He has every right to investigate any suspicious activity, actually any activity he likes to investigate.
So you've been griping and whining since this thread started and now you admit that it should be fair game to use this info since the same thing will be done to Zimmerman?
No, that's not what the poster said. She said if Zimmerman's attorneys bring up this stuff about Martin; Zimmerman's prior history will be brought up too. You know, his prior arrest record, his anger problems, his medication use, etc.
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Originally Posted by Vector1
I find this odd, as while I do not personally know most of my neighbors, and recognize most of them and/or the cars they drive.
Isn't that about the same as what I said? What makes it so odd, then?
It was not *that* late during this incident; it was about 7:30 PM.
Well maybe to you 7:30pm is not late, but it typically eliminates the different scenerios I mentioned in my post as mitigating possibilities why strangers would be in my neighborhood(i.e solicitors, workmen, etc).
We have no one's word but GZ's that Trayvon looked like he was casing the area. We do know that he was walking to the place where he was staying from a 7-11, so he had reason to be outside in the rain.
On the one hand you say we have no way of knowing what Martin was doing, just Zimmermans word. Fair enough. So how do we know for certain what Martin was doing after he left the 7-11?
I said we know he was walking back from the 7-11. He had been at the 7-11 to make a purchase. That's why he was outside walking.
As to having a reason to be out in the rain, walking to buy soda and candy is hardly a typical thing to do at night when it is raining.
I believe he was on an errand for a younger kid. Now maybe you are the baby of the family and never had to run an errand for someone else, but it happens.
We do not know what Zimmerman said to Trayvon. Considering he immediately called the police, before he encountered TM, we know he was suspicious of TM from the get-go.
Indeed, and this is a problem how?
It is a problem b/c GZ shot TM. He has admitted as much. Had he let the police handle it, the outcome would have been very different.
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Originally Posted by TheMoreYouKnow
I live in a rural area, a single street neighborhood outside of a large town so yeah, I know the name of the street I live on.
Good for you. That jagoff GZ did not know the name of his own street. Don't you find that odd? Perhaps he was lying?
People's ignorance to the law is astonishing to say the least. I am not taking side but just want to point out the ignorance. I am not a lawyer so do your own due diligence:
1. Following someone is not illegal. For "following someone" to become illegal, you need to establish a trend to show repeated behavior to a point of being harassment.
2. Disobeying "orders" from 911 dispatch is not illegal.
You are a free citizen of the state. Unless you are doing something illegal or endangering other people's life, even the president of the United States can't order you to do anything.
3. Stand Your Ground law doesn't allow you to shoot just because you "feel" you are in some danger. No, you can't shoot someone because he looked at you in a wrong way and hope not going to be charged for First Degree Murder. Your fear of danger needs to be judged based on "reasonableness", in another word, what a reasonable person would do when he was in your shoes. This is the fundamental of our law system.
4. One thing a lot people forget is that Zimmerman was not on the public street. He was in a private, gated community where he was a legal resident and home owner. He has every right to investigate any suspicious activity, actually any activity he likes to investigate.
If the prosecutor can convince the jury of this fact, then Zimmerman will be convicted.
No, that's not what the poster said. She said if Zimmerman's attorneys bring up this stuff about Martin; Zimmerman's prior history will be brought up too. You know, his prior arrest record, his anger problems, his medication use, etc.
Which is essentially exactly what I said, thanks for repeating my statement.
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Good for you. That jagoff GZ did not know the name of his own street. Don't you find that odd? Perhaps he was lying?
Do you know that Zimmerman lived on the street in question? There is more than 1 street in the community, I'm sure you're well aware.
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