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Old 05-26-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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Which says he would of killed Z with his gun instead of attempting to do so, with his arms.
If he wanted to kill him he would have strangled him.

More likely, Trayvon was mentoring Zimmerman.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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I don't really see anything at all to laugh about in this issue. To make it worse the charges should not of even been . If there was a female standing by while this slamming of the head was going on by a complete stranger with top strength and shot him, she would be a hero for courage and saving the life, one more slam of the head, at night in this what we know...is how people get kllled.

All thats being said is had this happen to another, you refuse assistance to the one being killed, its as simple as that.
The issue is deadly serious. YOUR posts are humorous. Btw, do you know what the word "have" means......."charges should not OF even been"....what kind of sentence is that. The appropriate word is HAVE...."charges should not HAVE even been"...and I won't even get into the bad sentence structure of "even been."

What the heck are you trying to say in that last paragraph? That just doesn't make sense, and how does that nonsensical paragraph relate to THIS CASE?
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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If he wanted to kill him he would have strangled him.

More likely, Trayvon was mentoring Zimmerman.
he a stranger, at night... was in the process of killing the man, this is what is known...not any opinions about how or idea's that have to do with what you think, would be representative of intent...intent has nothing to do with it, he was in the process of killing him in an aggressive unstoppable manner, the one being killed has a right to defend. Those are the facts. Case closed.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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he a stranger, at night... was in the process of killing the man, this is what is known...not any opinions about how or idea's that have to do with what you think, would be representative of intent...intent has nothing to do with it, he was in the process of killing him in an aggressive unstoppable manner, the one being killed has a right to defend. Those are the facts. Case closed.
No, "that" is NOT what is "known." "That" is what Zimmerman asserts. It is a disputed fact, therefore, a trial is scheduled and evidence will be presented and ultimately the jury is going to determine whether or not Martin was in the "process of killing the man." Juries make the final decisions regarding disputed facts based on the evidence which comes from witnesses on the witness stand and documentary evidence which is entered in the form of physical exhibits.

This case is most definitely NOT closed. LMAO. The trial is scheduled to start JUNE 10, 2013, exactly 14 days from now.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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Zimmerman failed as a wannabe security guard.

Now, what's left for him?
I guess a lot of years in prison are left for gz. For tm, who failed as a wannabe gangsta, nothing on this earth.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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When this trial starts and they begin to present evidence after jury selection, I'm guessing that I'll be LMAO at many of your posts. Mr. Barrow, you appear to have almost no factual knowledge/understanding of what will or will not be admissible in this case......yet you post like you think you can just figure these things out by "common sense." LOL Check out the Florida Rules of Evidence in criminal cases just to give yourself a clue. There's a reason people have to go to law school and then pass the state bar examine in order to practice law in our courts. Btw, the DEFENDENT is on trial, not the victim; the DEFENDENT'S character is most certainly relevant as the jury will be asked to believe ONLY HIS WORD regarding what happened in order to acquit, and he has already been proven to be a liar and assisted his wife in committing perjury in THIS VERY CASE. Additionally, have you ever even heard of "fighting words"? GEORGE ZIMMERMAN is charged with 2nd degree murder and HE WILL BE ON TRIAL, so absolutely his VERACITY will be a major issue.
Your whole paragraph has NOTHING to do with anything I said.

This is a discussion board, not a court room. This is nothing but speculation. So speculation is fair on both sides. Period.

All that talk and you don't even grasp what I'm saying.

I'm well aware of how trials are conducted, thank you.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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Goodness people on city data love to talk about Trayvon Martin. 456 Posts in three days.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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he a stranger, at night... was in the process of killing the man, this is what is known...not any opinions about how or idea's that have to do with what you think, would be representative of intent...intent has nothing to do with it, he was in the process of killing him in an aggressive unstoppable manner, the one being killed has a right to defend. Those are the facts. Case closed.
Trayvon was not killing Zimmerman. He was mentoring him.

Zimmerman is obviously a slow learner.

Zimmerman was killing Trayvon. Fact.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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I haven't read anything about M + 1 more attacking Z. Not even Z mentioned that.

Good try on your part stargazzer (not that it means anything),
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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IMO, you're wrong. TM had no criminal record. GZ has an arrest record. GZ was using some pretty strong prescription drugs. A drug is no less harmful b/c it is prescription. GZ has a history of violence.

We have no idea if TM was a regular user of marijuana. He has no history of violence. It's not clear if his "vandalism" was a criminal act. Lots of kids commit the same at school. GZ may have, for all we know, when he was in school. And, more to the point, it's irrelevant. GZ did not know TM when he KILLED him. He didn't know anything about him. He could not have used any information about TM when he shot him dead.
Let's look at the history of violene. In 2005, gz hit his fiane and they were both granted restraining orders. The same year he pushed away an underover agent's arms at a bar. The judge at his bond hearing said this about that act of 'violence--- "And so we're familiar with those particular situations. I won't say it's standard, but it's a run-of-the-mill type run-in with the alcohol and beverage agents at The Library, I believe it was. They're fairly common, so I'm familiar with those, even though it's in another jurisdiction."

Both incidents 7 years before he killed tm. Nothing to be proud of, but a fairly meager 'history of violence.'

tm, true, had no criminal record. So what. We know he committed criminal acts. His school, to keep the arrest stats down, chose not to contact the cops. His mother booted him out. He boasted about bloodying another kid in a fight. Suspended for drugs, yet brought drugs to Sanford. Who knows what else is in the records that haven't yet been made public. All within a year of death night.

It won't help the state to open the door to character, who had the behavior pattern to be the aggressor, things like that.
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