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Old 05-24-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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We now know what the Obama administration's playbook to win a second term was. Frustrate the tea party movement by denying indefinitely their 501(c)(4) status, targeting those groups and their members for audits and other government red tape, and otherwise suppressing the vote.

The corrupt imposter posing in the White House today received 10 million fewer votes than he did in 2008. If Romney had received an additional 4 million votes, he would have won.

We will never know how many Romney voters never made it to the polls because of the Obama regime's criminal campaign to target conservative grass roots organizations. Think of all the fundraising that was lost, all the volunteer time that was lost, and all the votes that were lost because of Obama's illegal and unethical methods of intimidation and voter suppression.

It cannot be said that Obama legitimately won his second term.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Oh, for God's sake...that's lame.

For better or worse, Obama won and Romney lost. Just get over it.

To align the IRS scandal, bad as it is, with voter suppression is an unsubstantiated act of fantasy, and I suspect that you're smart enough to know that. Romney did not lose for a lack of resources, and you can still vote even if you get audited.

So unless you can support your claims with specifics - which you can't - then of course the rational conclusion is that Obama won his second term fair and square.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:38 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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There is growing concern that the Obama administration illegally used the IRS as an arm of their re-election campaign. When people claim that Obama won because the economy was improving, or because Americans generally think he is doing a good job, it is not true. He won through dishonest methods and rhetoric.

The deliberate and concerted targeting by the IRS of Tea Party and conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, and leaks of information about conservative groups. The IRS stall tactics and inappropriate delving into religious and political beliefs worked to silence and defund the opposition.

Al-Quaeda is on the run and Osama Bin Laden is dead. Benghazi was very much in the news prior to the election. The concealment went to the culpability of the Obama administration in failing to heed warnings about security at the Benghazi consulate, the nature of the pre-planned al-Qaeda attack, the scrubbing of the talking points used by Susan Rice, the failure to go to the aid of Americans in trouble, and the claim that the attack was a result of a YouTube video.

Obama also stroked his mobs to blame Conservatives, the wealthy and white as the cause. His re-election.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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There is growing concern that the Obama administration illegally used the IRS as an arm of their re-election campaign. When people claim that Obama won because the economy was improving, or because Americans generally think he is doing a good job, it is not true. He won through dishonest methods and rhetoric.

The deliberate and concerted targeting by the IRS of Tea Party and conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, and leaks of information about conservative groups. The IRS stall tactics and inappropriate delving into religious and political beliefs worked to silence and defund the opposition.

Al-Quaeda is on the run and Osama Bin Laden is dead. Benghazi was very much in the news prior to the election. The concealment went to the culpability of the Obama administration in failing to heed warnings about security at the Benghazi consulate, the nature of the pre-planned al-Qaeda attack, the scrubbing of the talking points used by Susan Rice, the failure to go to the aid of Americans in trouble, and the claim that the attack was a result of a YouTube video.
Exactly.

Many of the organizations never got off the ground and running BECAUSE of the IRS refusing to approve their tax exempt status. Without the status, no fundraising, without fundraising, no issue advertising and grass roots mobilization.

He knew he couldn't run on his miserable record and win, so he used the Alinsky playbook to win. Cheat using the government and smear the opponent. He and his supporters are despicable pigs.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: NC
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First off, Trace it is good to see you again. I was worried you might not be coming back after 11/6. With that said Obama won. I suspect a lot of the people who didn't vote in 2012 that voted in 2008 were probably disillusioned moderates and liberals who would have never voted for Romney anyway. Obama also won by 5,000,000 votes. It is highly unlikely some conspiracy could have produced a margin that large. I would suspect that conservatives don't understand how much mistrust there is of conservatives among growing minority communities and exactly how far right the Tea Party has pushed the GOP relative to the center.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Romney lost because his campaign was flat. Obama won because he attracted a lot of voters who believe the Gov owes them a living and her promised as much. The fact that the Obama team lied as much or more than team Romney doesn't matter. Romney didn't find a way to attract enough votes. He came across as flat and boring and unfortunately American voters are lazy voters. They don't take time to learn about the candidate they rely on the media to do this for them. Worse still americans are notorious short term thinkers. Our voting habits reflect this.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Oh, for God's sake...that's lame.

For better or worse, Obama won and Romney lost. Just get over it.

To align the IRS scandal, bad as it is, with voter suppression is an unsubstantiated act of fantasy, and I suspect that you're smart enough to know that. Romney did not lose for a lack of resources, and you can still vote even if you get audited.

So unless you can support your claims with specifics - which you can't - then of course the rational conclusion is that Obama won his second term fair and square.
Here's a scenario.

What if George Bush had used the IRS to target new groups with "progressive," "minority," and "liberal" in their names. What if his IRS audited those groups and refused to grant them tax exempt status, thus preventing them from ever getting off the ground until after the 2004 election.

Would that be intimidation and voter suppression in your mind? You can deny it all you want, but if that were the situation, you'd be marching the streets screaming "racism!" and "voter suppression!" The only difference between the hypothetical and Obama's reality is that Obama targeted majority white groups to suppress their votes and intimidate them. It worked.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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Romney lost because his campaign was flat. Obama won because he attracted a lot of voters who believe the Gov owes them a living and her promised as much. The fact that the Obama team lied as much or more than team Romney doesn't matter. Romney didn't find a way to attract enough votes. He came across as flat and boring and unfortunately American voters are lazy voters. They don't take time to learn about the candidate they rely on the media to do this for them. Worse still americans are notorious short term thinkers. Our voting habits reflect this.
Yes, Romney couldn't do enough to attract votes.

Part of the reason why is because the tea party grass roots organizations that would have delivered those votes were never allowed to start by Obama's IRS.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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And Republicans were worried about voter fraud! Obama and Axlerod were way more devious than that, hell they had a corrupt IRS to do their dirty work. Who needs a hanging chad when you have Lois Lerner.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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If Romney had received an additional 4 million votes, he would have won.
Maybe Romney wouldn't have been nominated but for the same targeting of conservatives by the Obama administration. I think the Obama wing of the Democratic party and the RINOs are sponsored by the same dozen or so billionaires who have an idea of how they want to rule America.
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