One Drop Rule vs. Affirmative Action. (Colin Powell, Mexicans, racist, Boxer)

[ayannaaaliyah]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye48

I doubt it. It wouldn't matter what was given to former slaves, AA beneficiaries today would still have their hands out.

That's your opinion. It seems almost like you're saying that with land to develop and build, blacks wouldn't have been able to be successful and that all blacks want a handout????

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by ayannaaaliyah

Had each slave been given their 40 acres and a mule when slavery was abolished, then Affirmative Action or the Civil Rights movement would have never existed, but unfortunately they renigned on that promise

Point taken.

The Americans of Japanese ancestry who were 'interned'------read that thrown into albeit 'humane' concentration camps------many of them lost everything they strived for.

Yet; once released, said AJA's essentially bounced back and then some.

It is what a person has in his/her head/heart that will make or break that individual.

OTOH: many White people are flagrant losers-------despite having almost every conceivable advantage due to the color of their skin.

[ayannaaaliyah]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Point taken.

The Americans of Japanese ancestry who were 'interned'------read that thrown into albeit 'humane' concentration camps------many of them lost everything they strived for.

Yet; once released, said AJA's essentially bounced back and then some.

It is what a person has in his/her head/heart that will make or break that individual.

Agreed, to a certain extent, the difference is that they were compensated for said crimes:
In 1988, U.S. President (and former California governor) Ronald Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, which had been pushed through Congress by Representative Norman Mineta and Senator Alan K. Simpson — the two had met while Mineta was interned at a camp in Wyoming — which provided redress of $20,000 for each surviving detainee, totaling $1.2 billion dollars. The question of to whom reparations should be given, how much, and even whether monetary reparations were appropriate were subjects of sometimes contentious debate.[citation needed]

In some cases, Japanese American farmers were able to find families who were willing to tend their farms for the duration of their internment. In other cases, however, Japanese American farmers had to sell their property in a matter of days, usually with great financial loss. In these cases, the land speculators who bought the land made huge profits. California's Alien Land Laws of the 1910s, which prohibited most non-citizens from owning property in that state, contributed to Japanese American property losses. Because they were barred from owning land, many older Japanese American farmers were tenant farmers and therefore lost their rights to those farm lands. To compensate these losses, the US Congress, on July 2, 1948, passed the "American Japanese Claims Act", stating that all claims for war losses not presented within 18 months "shall be forever barred." Eventually, 26,568 settlements to family groups totaling more than $38 million were disbursed.

On September 27, 1992, the Amendment of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, appropriating an additional $400 million in order to ensure that all remaining internees received their $20,000 redress payments, was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, who also issued another formal apology from the U.S. government.

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

OTOH: many White people are flagrant losers-------despite having almost every conceivable advantage due to the color of their skin.

LOL, you're right about this one.

[florida southerner 3]

Originally Posted by boiseguy

well I know of a few "white" people here in idaho.. who apparently have a drop of native american blood.. and they get their monthly paychecks from the government.. as well as their school at Boise State paid for...

Native American is not a race. The whole population of Aboriginal Americans descend from ancient Whites, ancient Blacks, and ancient Mulattos sailing east from the East coasts of Eurasia and Africa, and across the Bering Land Bridge. Other ancient Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos saied west from the West coast of Eurasia and Africa. This transpired from around 2500 BC till about 200 AD. Then Cristobal Columbo made it here nearly 1,300 years later. All these Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos further mixed and mingled forming the Aboriginal American nations. But some remained distinctively White or Black until the 16 and 17 hundreds. Read up on it! There are plenty of facts to back this up!

So my question is to you, if a modern White American has some, as you called it "Native American" blood in him. What if that "Native American" ancestor was White as well? Since Aboriginal Americans are not a separate single race of people but a conglomerate Mulatto people with some still being Black or White, wouldn't this be a possibility? An ancestor of mine was a Cherokee princess. I'm of Spanish and French blood predominantly, thus making me White. Why should I ride the shirttails of an ancestor long dead! Who cares! The government has no right paying people like that and they further have no right funding reservations where they live!

[ArizonaBear]

Well; speaking for Yours Truly; I sent away for a couple of DNA testing kits (one of each for matrilineal and patrilineal heritage) from National Geographic.

When they get here I will 'do my thing' (swab from the inner cheek); send the samples back and wait for the results.

Admittedly; said tests are by no means detailed but at least they are a start

[boiseguy]

Originally Posted by florida southerner 3

Native American is not a race. The whole population of Aboriginal Americans descend from ancient Whites, ancient Blacks, and ancient Mulattos sailing east from the East coasts of Eurasia and Africa, and across the Bering Land Bridge. Other ancient Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos saied west from the West coast of Eurasia and Africa. This transpired from around 2500 BC till about 200 AD. Then Cristobal Columbo made it here nearly 1,300 years later. All these Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos further mixed and mingled forming the Aboriginal American nations. But some remained distinctively White or Black until the 16 and 17 hundreds. Read up on it! There are plenty of facts to back this up!

So my question is to you, if a modern White American has some, as you called it "Native American" blood in him. What if that "Native American" ancestor was White as well? Since Aboriginal Americans are not a separate single race of people but a conglomerate Mulatto people with some still being Black or White, wouldn't this be a possibility? An ancestor of mine was a Cherokee princess. I'm of Spanish and French blood predominantly, thus making me White. Why should I ride the shirttails of an ancestor long dead! Who cares! The government has no right paying people like that and they further have no right funding reservations where they live!

you sound as crazy as the mormons... there is evidence that points to the possibility of groups coming and going durring the times you say.. but there is also PHYSICAL evidence that the bulk of them came across the land bridge over 10,000 years ago.. which is long before your little bible even talks about... don't sit here and insult everyone's intelligence with your "spin" of the facts.. while I will give you the possibility of it..it does not make void the reality and evidence that points to actions and circumstances before what you say...

the reality of it is.. the earliest records of humanity go back to the area of Ethiopia-Kenya....and DNA scientists are tracking the dna code of humans and its pointing towards a few small tribes that exist today...
so.. in reality.. if you're "white" somewhere back in the day.. say 30,000 years ago.. your ancestors were probably darker colour...
nothing in the bible points to this... in fact most people who are christian believe that the white-anglo look was the original "creation" of god...
I really wonder if someone in an african tribe held the roots to humanity.. god just might be black.. we don't know.. and taking that bible word for word is just taking people back into the dark ages..

[florida southerner 3]

Originally Posted by boiseguy

you sound as crazy as the mormons... there is evidence that points to the possibility of groups coming and going durring the times you say.. but there is also PHYSICAL evidence that the bulk of them came across the land bridge over 10,000 years ago.. which is long before your little bible even talks about... don't sit here and insult everyone's intelligence with your "spin" of the facts.. while I will give you the possibility of it..it does not make void the reality and evidence that points to actions and circumstances before what you say...

the reality of it is.. the earliest records of humanity go back to the area of Ethiopia-Kenya....and DNA scientists are tracking the dna code of humans and its pointing towards a few small tribes that exist today...
so.. in reality.. if you're "white" somewhere back in the day.. say 30,000 years ago.. your ancestors were probably darker colour...
nothing in the bible points to this... in fact most people who are christian believe that the white-anglo look was the original "creation" of god...
I really wonder if someone in an african tribe held the roots to humanity.. god just might be black.. we don't know.. and taking that bible word for word is just taking people back into the dark ages..

Well, it's obvious you haven't a clue what you are talking about. I've done considerable study on this and related subjects. I'm sorry that my mind is not held captive by evolutionary thought and anti-Bible sentiments. My mind is free to explore the real truth! I have compiled volumes--too many to list here to rebutt yout false claims, but if you so desire, I would gladly send you emails to enlighten you on some very little wellknown facts!

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by ayannaaaliyah

Agreed, to a certain extent, the difference is that they were compensated for said crimes:
In 1988, U.S. President (and former California governor) Ronald Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, which had been pushed through Congress by Representative Norman Mineta and Senator Alan K. Simpson — the two had met while Mineta was interned at a camp in Wyoming — which provided redress of $20,000 for each surviving detainee, totaling $1.2 billion dollars. The question of to whom reparations should be given, how much, and even whether monetary reparations were appropriate were subjects of sometimes contentious debate.[citation needed]

In some cases, Japanese American farmers were able to find families who were willing to tend their farms for the duration of their internment. In other cases, however, Japanese American farmers had to sell their property in a matter of days, usually with great financial loss. In these cases, the land speculators who bought the land made huge profits. California's Alien Land Laws of the 1910s, which prohibited most non-citizens from owning property in that state, contributed to Japanese American property losses. Because they were barred from owning land, many older Japanese American farmers were tenant farmers and therefore lost their rights to those farm lands. To compensate these losses, the US Congress, on July 2, 1948, passed the "American Japanese Claims Act", stating that all claims for war losses not presented within 18 months "shall be forever barred." Eventually, 26,568 settlements to family groups totaling more than $38 million were disbursed.

On September 27, 1992, the Amendment of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, appropriating an additional $400 million in order to ensure that all remaining internees received their $20,000 redress payments, was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, who also issued another formal apology from the U.S. government.

LOL, you're right about this one.

So -- 20 grand per brother and everyone shuts the eff up?

Sounds like a winner to me!

[ProLogic]

Originally Posted by boiseguy

well I know of a few "white" people here in idaho.. who apparently have a drop of native american blood.. and they get their monthly paychecks from the government.. as well as their school at Boise State paid for...

Pfft! I am totally against that! I heard groups of AA's were doing this as well.

[Evlevo]

I think I'll sit this discussion out (I'll still watch from the sidelines), but before I go I have to add this...

When I saw the thread title "One Drop Rule" I thought that it was either a reference to little kids playing football and being allowed "one bounce passes", or a variation of the "5 second rule" when dropping food!

I was having the hardest time figuring out how that could relate to Affirmative Action!