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11-03-2007, 11:24 AM
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The land of bougainvillea, citrus and palm trees
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One Drop Rule vs. Affirmative Action.
Not trying to start a fight here!
In some states (Virginia comes to mind): if a person has any 'Black' heritage; said individual would be considered African American------never mind if that man/woman was Nordic White in appearance.
That stated: how does Affirmative Action square with the One Drop Rule------assuming genetic testing reveals a bit of Sub-Saharan ethnicity in a person who is otherwise 'White'?
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11-03-2007, 12:32 PM
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Court rulings have begun to dismantle affirmative action programs. The next case that makes it to the SCOTUS will strike down many AA programs. The left have bought off several plaintiffs over the last few years to outright take the decision out of the hands of the court. Affirmative actions days are numbered. It's only a matter of time.
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11-03-2007, 02:13 PM
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You say "liberal" like it's a bad thing
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well I know of a few "white" people here in idaho.. who apparently have a drop of native american blood.. and they get their monthly paychecks from the government.. as well as their school at Boise State paid for...
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11-03-2007, 02:23 PM
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You say "liberal" like it's a bad thing
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the reality of it is... when anyone is treated better or worse than another.. there is always going to be a fight for equality.. until we accept our dark past.. and learn from it.. and let it go.. we are just going to keep riding the waves of injustices...
Whether your ancesters were brought here as slaves.. or your ancestors were killed by another person's ancestors...or your ancestors were poor white trash working in factories.. the reality of it is.. we were all born here.. we all live here.. with the same fundamental opportunities.. We need to work more at bettering those opportunities rather than giving a "free pass" to some... You cannot claim injustice personally by something that happened to your ancestors 150 years ago.. it is not logical.. nor is acceptable.. but we cater to it.. and it only creates another problem...
Social programs should be there to help ANYONE who is in need... and we should be coming together to make our schools better, our healthcare affordable.. and our communities safe... that is how you handle the past... when people feel they are important to the greater society.. mind frames change.. as well as attitudes... and we all win....
Leave the constitution alone.. and let it do its job... no favourites.. no special interest...
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11-03-2007, 02:56 PM
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mmm hmm, yeah yeah
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Call the businesses and universities and ask them how they handle it.
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11-03-2007, 03:50 PM
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DRILL BABY DRILL!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ArizonaBear
Not trying to start a fight here!
In some states (Virginia comes to mind): if a person has any 'Black' heritage; said individual would be considered African American------never mind if that man/woman was Nordic White in appearance.
That stated: how does Affirmative Action square with the One Drop Rule------assuming genetic testing reveals a bit of Sub-Saharan ethnicity in a person who is otherwise 'White'?
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That really is interesting especially when you consider that Dick Cheney and Barack Hussein Obama are cousins, does that make Dick Cheney the first black VP! |
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11-03-2007, 06:54 PM
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The land of bougainvillea, citrus and palm trees
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Quote:
Originally Posted by silas777
That really is interesting especially when you consider that Dick Cheney and Barack Hussein Obama are cousins, does that make Dick Cheney the first black VP!
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Obama as as 'White' as he is 'Black'------his mother was a generic 'Anglo/White' woman from Kansas.
In fact; it has been alleged that some of her ancestors owned slaves. |
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11-03-2007, 07:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ArizonaBear
Obama as as 'White' as he is 'Black'------his mother was a generic 'Anglo/White' woman from Kansas.
In fact; it has been alleged that some of her ancestors owned slaves.
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How could ANYONE possibly be "blacker" than Bob Marley, whose father was a white English naval officer.... 
At any rate, AA, at its very BEST, simply seeks to make up for the evil of racial discrimination and inequality, by the court-ordered, legally-sanctioned application of a compensatory "good" discrimination. It's like fighting the BIG sickness of cancer, with the smaller "controlled" sickness of chemotherapy.
AA by its nature is discriminatory. Somebody is going to be impacted, so that somebody else can "catch up". It is not designed to be permanent, and just when or at what point it should be phased out is a matter of debate.. |
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11-03-2007, 07:52 PM
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Had each slave been given their 40 acres and a mule when slavery was abolished, then Affirmative Action or the Civil Rights movement would have never existed, but unfortunately they renigned on that promise |
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11-03-2007, 08:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ayannaaaliyah
Had each slave been given their 40 acres and a mule when slavery was abolished, then Affirmative Action or the Civil Rights movement would have never existed, but unfortunately they renigned on that promise |
I doubt it. It wouldn't matter what was given to former slaves, AA beneficiaries today would still have their hands out.
Besides, 40 acres and a mule was never authorized. Major General Sherman ordered it, (40 acres, Not the mules by the way), and President Johnson overruled him. Anyone can make a promise, that doesn't mean a legal obligation to pay it exists. |
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