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Old 05-29-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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Default For those of you who keep saying that the GOP can't win on ideas....

how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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I think people need to realize that with in either party they have a membership which decide o the parties agenda.no matter what the president decides they control what goes forward by control of congress. few people who vote for either party are actually party member who decide on the committee that makes up this platform. Actually as we have seen time and time again once a party has to govern they rarely stay I power long as they can't fulfill all the other promises they made that are low on priority or not even serious on any agenda by spin.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach - Flamingo Park
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Obama is a corporatist capitalist like the rest of them.

What, exactly, has Obama stealthily implemented that smacks of socialism?

Even Obamacare was a well-known proposal he discussed as far back as the 2008 PRIMARIES!
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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Obama is a corporatist capitalist like the rest of them.

What, exactly, has Obama stealthily implemented that smacks of socialism?

Even Obamacare was a well-known proposal he discussed as far back as the 2008 PRIMARIES!
Obama Debates Himself on Single Payer Universal Health Care

Which is it it that he is for?
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?
I stopped by to look for one such idea as advertised in the title of the thread but all I found way that typical right wing lunacy continued...
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?
Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production.
B. Obama is (not) a socialist.

And republicans are 1,000x worse than democrats are, how far would republicans get if they told the truth?

Republicans don't tell you that Reagan and GW Bush created Americas dangerous national debt. Romney never told you he wanted to add $6.6 trillion dollars to our national debt, by giving rich people tax cuts.

Republicans don't tell you that they lie to you about tax cuts for the rich increasing government revenues. And they don't tell you they are lying to you about global warming (as a favor to corporations like ExxonMobile). ex.ex.ex.


Scientists call the republican party a "corporate propaganda group." And the CEO's and billionaires who control Fox news, Rush radio, and the Tea Party, manipulate Americas conservatives in unthinkable ways.

The following Australian documentary shows/explains some of the ways these republican groups manipulate Americas conservatives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSAzYWmsiwI
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:55 PM
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Anyone that claims that Obama is a socialist is just spouting useless hyperbole and has zero credibility.

Obama is a crony capitalist just like every President of the modern era, his political views are center right to moderate at best.

I am not sure that it is fair to say that the GOP can't win on ideas, the GOP is so dishonest about what their true agenda is that nobody can discern what their ideas really are.

It can't be smaller government that they want, smaller government does not match up with banning abortions, banning gay marriage, or spending a few trillion more taxpayer dollars to bulk up the already oversized military industrial complex. As far as I can tell, the GOP is really after complete control of the economy and the day to day lives of Americans. They want to tell you what you can do, what you can't and divert more and more of your money to their corporate benefactors.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?

The thing that is super funny about this is I keep seeing "New York is Open for Business" comercials on TV.

They are saying that NY has lowered corporate taxes, reduced regulations and cut middle income tax rates. This is the state run by Mario Cumo a very noted leftists. This is a trustworthy democrat state.

for liberals to win, they either lie or sound like conservatives.
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Maybe seeking professional help to cope with the obsession with Obama, will help.
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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Obama isn't even close to being a socialist.

And Republicans can and have won based on their ideas. People have just finally figured out that they're for big government once they get elected, so what's the use.

Plus, Republicans are generally half crazy, which doesn't help.
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