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...I could go on...and on...AND ON, but you get the picture.
How the hell don't they? And the constitution used to say blacks were 1/5th a human and only men who owned property could vote. That has changed and the constitution is still valid. I would like to see humans defined by the constitution so we can end corporate personhood, but that's just common sense and most Americans agree that corporations are not people.
In their minds the rich corporate masters can do no wrong. What you call abuse they call worker motivation.
Sweat shops? At least they have a job.
Building collapses/Workers get killed? Quit whining, give the CEO a bonus
How the hell don't they? And the constitution used to say blacks were 1/5th a human and only men who owned property could vote. That has changed and the constitution is still valid. I would like to see humans defined by the constitution so we can end corporate personhood, but that's just common sense and most Americans agree that corporations are not people.
Nothing in Article 1 Section 8 authorizes any of the main tenants of socialism, thats how.
Nothing in Article 1 Section 8 authorizes any of the main tenants of socialism, thats how.
Yes and nothing in there says America is a Christian nation either, so what's your point?
And we have states rights in America. We can build democratic socialism one state at a time. Don't believe me? Try to organize a Tea Party meeting in Washington State and see how much support you get.
Unemployment rate means jack. In a socialist system, unemployment rate is practically zero - everybody is employed by the government.
Poverty level means squat. In a socialist system, everybody is equally poor. Yes, the disparity between the rich and the poor is very small, if you call that a good thing.
It's rather astounding that people use a term for which they have no idea, none whatsoever, what it means.
Yes, Skippy, in a socialist system, everyone is employed by the government. Well done.
In their minds the rich corporate masters can do no wrong. What you call abuse they call worker motivation.
Sweat shops? At least they have a job.
Building collapses/Workers get killed? Quit whining, give the CEO a bonus
It's isn't the bosses who anger me, because they're just doing what they do, it's their idiot lapdogs who drive me insane.
How can someone who has seen his income shrink, seen inflation hurt him (the result of the FED, which is run by banks, printing money) had the banks come after them, have trouble buying healthcare...AND STILL side with the corporate masters? Why do they protest a 3% tax increase for the CEO of the company they work for when said CEO would gladly watch them die if it meant a bigger bonus for them?
That Stalin bastard allegedly had a term for people who defended him overseas: useful idiots. Corporations now have useful idiots of their own, the legions of conservative morons who mindlessly work against their own class and own self interest.
In my home town of Seattle, a local socialist candidate got 29% of the vote. A third party candidate of any kind usually doesn't get that much, but A SOCIALIST? And she's even more radical than I am (she's a Troskyite, I am anti-all things associated with the evil USSR)
And the polls that show socialism is popular only say the word "socialism" and don't even qualify it, leaving things open from everything to Social Democracy to crazy "insurrectionist" socialism like Rosa Luxemburg and the "socialism" of the USSR and Cuba. If they just said "democratic socialism" you can be guaranteed more people would be for that.
Anyway, we socialists can all agree on one things: OBAMA ISN'T WITH US!
First, the bailout: giving money to banks to keep them huge is the opposite of socialism. If he nationalized bad banks, that would be one thing, but helping them screw over working people?
Second, his healthcare laws says that I have to buy healthcare FROM A CORPORATION. What the hell is that? If this was universal healthcare with everyone having equal help to pay for doctors, fine, but making me give money to a private company?
Third, NDAA. What the hell is with the law that says he can detain anyone indefinitely just because he "suspects" they are criminals? That may make him a Stalinist of sorts, but he certainly is no Eugene Debs (do right wing hacks even know who he is? )
Fourth: wars. He has so much blood in his hands in Pakistan and Iraq and Libya it isn't even funny. Forget Benghazi, what about him releasing racist terror in Libya?
Surprise, Surprise...our first "black" president doesn't really care about black people as much as he cares about the military industrial complex.
In no way, shape or form can anything Obama does be called "socialist". Please, stop making us look bad by associating us with the right-wing hack in chief.
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I agree.
Obama has done far more to outrage socialists than conservatives. That outrage would be somewhat justified if they thought he was a kindred spirit. No, he is center left, as I am, so I like the guy.
But to conservatives anyone left of Michelle Bachmann is a socialist these days, so it is relative, I guess.
you people are only looking at the surface, typical of liberals though. if you dig deeper you will find that obama is in fact a marxist. for instance he didnt nationalize the banks because he knew that the american people AS A WHOLE would not go for it. as to his signature legislation, obamacare, again he didnt push the single payer system because he knew that the american people would reject it in a hugely bi partisan manner. however in both cases he is practicing incrementalism. the health care law puts a huge burden on the people by a huge increase in health insurance rates through new taxes, more mandates, etc. that extra burden he assumes will cause the people to call for a single payer system through the government, and that is when obamacare will be fully realized. same with the banking system. note that the tarp funds that were forced on many banks were either converted to government equity in those banks, or the government refused to allow those banks to pay back the tarp funds, thus forcing those banks to keep the liability on their balance sheets. and how about the NSA deal where every ones phone records, internet usage, etc is all being monitored and stored?
no obama is a marxist trying hard to look like a centrist.
you people are only looking at the surface, typical of liberals though. if you dig deeper you will find that obama is in fact a marxist. for instance he didnt nationalize the banks because he knew that the american people AS A WHOLE would not go for it.
So instead of nationalizing the banks he gave taxpayer money to private banks, helping to keep them alive and keep the "too big to fail" banks in power. Yep, that has "Marxist" written all over it
And actually, it was Bush who pushed for the bailout and Obama just went along with it, so I guess Bush was a Marxist too (but I forgot, he never existed, just ask the GOP)
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as to his signature legislation, obamacare, again he didnt push the single payer system because he knew that the american people would reject it in a hugely bi partisan manner. however in both cases he is practicing incrementalism. the health care law puts a huge burden on the people by a huge increase in health insurance rates through new taxes, more mandates, etc. that extra burden he assumes will cause the people to call for a single payer system through the government, and that is when obamacare will be fully realized.
No, Obama care calls for the government to put money into private companies to allow those who can't afford it to buy healthcare plans from a private corporation. No matter what, corporations earn record profits at the expense of tax payers. Single-payer would mean everyone gets healthcare and everyone gets taxed the same rate for it. Nothing like Obamacare.
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same with the banking system. note that the tarp funds that were forced on many banks were either converted to government equity in those banks, or the government refused to allow those banks to pay back the tarp funds, thus forcing those banks to keep the liability on their balance sheets. and how about the NSA deal where every ones phone records, internet usage, etc is all being monitored and stored?
The TARP is run by the Fed...and the Fed is run by the banks themselves. We're the only nation on Earth that has private banks run the central banking, and Obama is dead set against an audit of the FED, which would be the first step in ending it and replacing the Federal Reserve with a National Bank.
As for the Big Brother culture, that started with Bush...so was he a socialist? And you can have totalitarianism without socialism and vice versa. The most socialist country on Earth right now is a tie between Sweden and Venezuela, neither of which are totalitarian (Chavez almost lost the last election)
obama isn't a socialist. he's embarrassing enough on his own. now being a socialist? that's gotta be pretty embarrassing. not to mention incredibly pathetic.
You gdam commies don't employ folks you send em to work camps.
Yes sir! Just as bad as those evil commies in Sweden! That place is the same hellhole dem damn marxist homosexual liberals want to make America into!
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