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Old 06-07-2013, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
All the oil must be drilled. All the gas must be fracked. All fossil fuels must be fully and completely exploited until they are non-existent. As that happens and they disappear, there will be a natural progression to cleaner and more expensive energy supplies.

Until then, the idea of "stopping" the drilling or fracking is utter nonsense. NOT HAPPENING. EVER. It is imperative that we let the Capitalist Free Market determine when to switch to other technologies. Left wing statist-collectivist climate "scientists" who suckle at the teet of the government grant-science welfare complex are NOT the solution to anything, and never were. They will always manufacture hysteria out of thin air in order to stay in the dubious business of collecting grants at the public pig trough. And the second-rate non-quality of the science that results is reflective of the desperate self-preservation that forces the science-welfare complex to invent ever more reasons to keep the unearned money flowing in.

Drill, frack, grow, prosper. Keystone. Now. Help render the Islamofascist Irrationalist Animalistic Theocracies irrelevant. We should import ZERO oil from the savages, and should indeed flood the market with cheap energy to force the neanderthals into the economic irrelevance that preceeded, and will proceed, the lucky and temporary accident of oil under their sands. They should, and shall, become what they once were. An anachronistic and impotent tribute to the savagery of the dark ages.
Changing our addiction to fossil fuels needs to be planned out decades in advance, not through the hope that the free market will take it's course and all will be well. Think of the shortages back in the 70's and 80's they say it all, it OPEC decided to keep the same production levels we would have had severe problems. So what did the free market learn from that experience, absolutely nothing and we went on for 30 years as if life was wonderful.

So now we have a new toy, natural gas and we can continue to enjoy life and ignore the inevitable as if this will last a few hundred years. Imagine if we were going to run out of gas in 10-20 years, do you honestly think the free market would take care of itself. The last thing this country needs again is cheap energy and a false sense of security while it ignores long term planning yet again.

 
Old 06-07-2013, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So the tens of thousands of jobs created to build the pipeline don't count? The only full time jobs the Left wants is at the local 7-11.
Should we let Canada build a rail line through the US also, just for their use, after all it creates jobs.

Tens of thousands of jobs?
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: WA
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They do, care to back that up?



No need, we can be self sufficient within a very near time frame....

Gee, that took all of a 5 seconds to find.


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Old 06-07-2013, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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This is what you don't get though - The U.S is still one of the primary users of oil in the world. I think China is the only country that demands it more so at the end of the day it is supporting worldwide demand and in a globalized economy this is something that the U.S is very much connected to. Unless the U.S isn't a part of a globalized economy anymore?

Not to mention If the proverbial hits the fan - atleast it is from a friendly source so can easily be supplied to and refined for the use exclusively of Canada and the United States in defence of our countries against foreign aggression (Think Norad). That oil would fuel our fighters, ships and other military instruments without reliance on, on the fence allies or enemies. Who else is going to fight these enemies, Darryl Hannah and friends? This is partly why the State Dept gets involved and why they've supported projects like this in the past. The decision is made that it is in the national interest of the United States of America economically and politically - not because they want to be friendly to Canadian Business exclusively.

There are already pipelines - thousands of miles of them under U.S soil and some of those are Canadian Pipelines going to U.S refineries supporting domestic and global demand... so?

The U.S has a choice in terms of fostering, building and maintaining strong and healthy relationships with its biggest friends and allies ... Canada is one of them - is actually the biggest! will that continue in the future.... we are on board.. are you? Or will you take you chances with Venezuela, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia?

Your State in particular - New York is HIGHLY reliant on Canadian energy in all forms not just oil frankly if it wasn't for our energy you'd be 'in the dark'

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca...y-energie.aspx

The importance of Canada/US trade in all forms cannot be understated and is without equal in the world or in history.

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Should we let Canada build a rail line through the US also, just for their use, after all it creates jobs.

Tens of thousands of jobs?

Last edited by fusion2; 06-07-2013 at 08:13 PM..
 
Old 06-07-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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Construction and Engineering was the most devastated sector of the economy during the recent depression, and this project would have given it a needed boost.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Changing our addiction to fossil fuels needs to be planned out decades in advance, not through the hope that the free market will take it's course and all will be well. Think of the shortages back in the 70's and 80's they say it all, it OPEC decided to keep the same production levels we would have had severe problems. So what did the free market learn from that experience, absolutely nothing and we went on for 30 years as if life was wonderful.

So now we have a new toy, natural gas and we can continue to enjoy life and ignore the inevitable as if this will last a few hundred years. Imagine if we were going to run out of gas in 10-20 years, do you honestly think the free market would take care of itself. The last thing this country needs again is cheap energy and a false sense of security while it ignores long term planning yet again.
You don't plan for what you don't own. Gas and oil are owned and controlled by those who take the risk to find it, engineer it, develop it, and sell it. Energy companies are the TRUE HEROES of our world. They should be regarded and treated as such. We are in their debt, every day and every hour that we are lucky enough to live our lives in relative ease at the behest of the abundant energy provided by these Corporations and Conglomerates.

As fossil fuels run out, which will happen gradually, Capitalism dictates that the price will rise naturally, reflecting the diminishing supplies. As prices inexorably rise over the decades, free companies will naturally and organically develop alternatives in response to the higher prices.

We don't need planning. We don't need think tanks. We don't need collectivism. We need to STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY and OUT OF THEIR POCKETS. That means less taxes and less regulation. Private markets work best, and reflect private property rights. In other words, Capitalism is the ONLY moral economic system in the world. We need to Let It Be.
 
Old 06-08-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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Should we let Canada build a rail line through the US also, just for their use, after all it creates jobs.

Tens of thousands of jobs?
I don't think you understand how the modern world works.

1st Question, would the US oil refineries not be "using" this oil when they refine it into usable products and sell it?

Should the US in your opinion close all foreign companies in the US like Toyota plants?

Should the US in your opinion force all American companies back 100% into the US, for example force Coke to only do business in the US or kick them out of the country?

Why shouldn't a Canadian company have the opportunity to help itself by investing in the USA and thereby helping us at the same time?

Why wouldn't USA companies profit from this?
 
Old 06-09-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Should we let Canada build a rail line through the US also, just for their use, after all it creates jobs.

Tens of thousands of jobs?
Sure build it. I don't care if it brings jobs, progress, growth.


Now, look at this project, steel, trucking, engineers, heavy equipment mfg., chemical companies, electrical, various trades people, it is a huge jobs project.

Yes, tens of thousands of jobs, all well paid jobs.
 
Old 06-09-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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Should we let Canada build a rail line through the US also, just for their use, after all it creates jobs.

Tens of thousands of jobs?
Educate yourself. Canadian National and Canadian Pacific railroads own track in the Midwest of the US.

And any track Canada builds, by US law, other railroads can lease the use of.

Your argument is senseless.
 
Old 06-09-2013, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Educate yourself. Canadian National and Canadian Pacific railroads own track in the Midwest of the US.

And any track Canada builds, by US law, other railroads can lease the use of.

Your argument is senseless.
They do not own track, they lease track.

When is the last time we gave a Canadian rail line eminent domain to build a track specifically for their use across the entire US, educate yourself.
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