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View Poll Results: Libertarians, Pro life or pro choice
Pro life 13 38.24%
Pro choice 21 61.76%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-03-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Originally Posted by archon445 View Post
Abortion is a tough issue to get right. But since libertarianism is about freedom, then philosophically you'd have to be pro choice to be a libertarian.

On the flip side, you can still disagree with the idea. I disagree with abortion. But freedom comes first. And yes, that means I can own an assault rifle too if I want one.

That's what makes being a libertarian so great. You can be socially conservative or liberal and be a libertarian. It's about freedom and not oppression. I won't oppress you with my views so long as you don't oppress me with your and so long as we all agree that freedom comes first.
As a right leaning libertarian I strongly support the bold ed statement but how can that be brought into reality when we have the all powerful federal gvt that has to have a hand into all aspects of life. Myself ,I am pro life but that is not what matters IMO this issue and a slew of others should be decided and regulated at the state level. When I look at our present gvt the 9th and 10th amendments hardly mean anything.

So the only way that you and I could not oppress each other is for both of those amendments to be strengthened and the federal gvt giving up some of the power that I think they should not have. In that unrealistic world as we both know that will never take place, there would be some states that are pro life and some choice. There would be some states recognizing gay marriage and at the same time states practicing their freedom and denying gay marriage. There would be some states with heavy social programs and some states with very little to none. Etc...... etc .......

Are you really for freedom? and do you support strengthening state rights and taking power from the federal gvt? Do you have a better avenue where as libertarians that have different views will not oppress each other?

 
Old 06-03-2013, 06:55 AM
 
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Life, the choice cums before you open your legs or plant your seed.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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A libertarian can be either way. It depends on whether or not you consider abortion murder.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 06:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
I'm mostly defined as a socialist libertarian when doing online tests/polls/whatever.

So I'll stick with that label here...I guess...and go with pro choice.
That is not what is meant by Libertarian here...
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Pro choice or pro life
Libetarian's would note that a personal opinion should not be translated into government action or regulation, so our belief on the matter is irrelevant. Its up to the individual.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Caribbean
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Pro-life personally but pro-choice for others.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:31 AM
 
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Pro choice or pro life
I am not libertarian, put I am pro choice. Now people who are anti-abortion are not "pro life", they are anti-choice. I think that is an important distinction.

Anti-choicers don't care about the lives of babies. In fact, let a mom say she is so pro life she is going to have as many babies as her body can handle without regard to the ability to finance those babies.


Watch how fast those pro lifers lose interest in the creation of life and start advocating forced sterilization.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by archon445 View Post
Abortion is a tough issue to get right. But since libertarianism is about freedom, then philosophically you'd have to be pro choice to be a libertarian.

On the flip side, you can still disagree with the idea. I disagree with abortion. But freedom comes first. And yes, that means I can own an assault rifle too if I want one.

That's what makes being a libertarian so great. You can be socially conservative or liberal and be a libertarian. It's about freedom and not oppression. I won't oppress you with my views so long as you don't oppress me with your and so long as we all agree that freedom comes first.

Actually, most libertarians believe your right to swing your fist ends where another person's nose begins. It really depends on what stage of life you believe government should defend life. Most libertarians accept that the defense of individuals from internal and external aggressors is the primary role of government.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
I am not libertarian, put I am pro choice. Now people who are anti-abortion are not "pro life", they are anti-choice. I think that is an important distinction.

Anti-choicers don't care about the lives of babies. In fact, let a mom say she is so pro life she is going to have as many babies as her body can handle without regard to the ability to finance those babies.


Watch how fast those pro lifers lose interest in the creation of life and start advocating forced sterilization.
You can't be pro-life and celebrate the death of people. When Chavez died some pro-lifers were elated with joy.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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You can't be pro-life and celebrate the death of people. When Chavez died some pro-lifers were elated with joy.
Exactly, anti-choicers want to control the sexual behavior of women, and they have some notion that GOD will punish America if American women are allowed to get abortions legally.
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