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Old 06-04-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: texas
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Really you couldn't figure out what the OP was asking?
You just saying that cuz you answered so quickly without calification...So why are they equally bad?
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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This. And make the ID cards free for people who can't afford them.

Sure, there will be 0.001% of the voters who fall through the cracks, and if those few voters are minorities the press will trot her out and yell, "DISCRIMINATION!!" But ultimately, no one will be denied the right to vote. Worst case is they vote with absentee ballot. If getting to the DMV is too much trouble, then getting to the polls should be equally troubling. Just stay home and mail in your vote.
Yeah bet those that "fall" through the cracks have a social security number and get some form of government assistance.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: texas
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This. And make the ID cards free for people who can't afford them.

Sure, there will be 0.001% of the voters who fall through the cracks, and if those few voters are minorities the press will trot her out and yell, "DISCRIMINATION!!" But ultimately, no one will be denied the right to vote. Worst case is they vote with absentee ballot. If getting to the DMV is too much trouble, then getting to the polls should be equally troubling. Just stay home and mail in your vote.
A voter ID card is ID, why would you need a second?
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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neither. Voters don't know what they are voting for anyway, money gets the last word.
Apparently that's what they're voting for, money. Sometimes equated to stuff. As in, 'Where's my stuff', the mantra of the liberal voter.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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You just saying that cuz you answered so quickly without calification...So why are they equally bad?
Unlike you I didn't need "qualification"

Are you smarter than a 5th grader? An rhetorical comic aside.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: texas
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Yeah bet those that "fall" through the cracks have a social security number and get some form of government assistance.
You need a SSN to register to vote and get an voter card, you also need a SSN to get a DMV ID.

So if an SSN and Birth cretificate is needed for a DMV ID, why is it not suffecient for voter registration and a voter card?

I have a 5th grade education, but still able to keep up with you anyday.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Someone votes who should not have voted or someone eligible to vote is denied

someone eligible to vote is denied

why

United States studies on voter fraud shows very low/no risk of it. Therefore the risk of someone voting who is not eligible is so small. . .where a legislation will have huge impacts on denying eligible.

You don't blow up a city to level the potholes
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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You need a SSN to register to vote and get an voter card, you also need a SSN to get a DMV ID.

So if an SSN and Birth cretificate is needed for a DMV ID, why is it not suffecient for voter registration and a voter card?

I have a 5th grade education, but still able to keep up with you anyday.

A SS number is not permitted to be used as ID.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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You need a SSN to register to vote and get an voter card, you also need a SSN to get a DMV ID.

So if an SSN and Birth cretificate is needed for a DMV ID, why is it not suffecient for voter registration and a voter card?
In the article I linked to above, the elderly woman had never learned to drive (no license), and even if she had, for some reason TN law allows the elderly to get their pictures taken off driving licenses. She had a certified birth certificate in her birth name, and a SS card, bank statements, and rental agreement, and utility bills in her married name. Unfortunately, she didn't have a copy of her marriage license linking the two different names. So while she could prove she lived in TN she couldn't prove she was a US citizen, so no free voter ID card that day. The volunteer organization who drove her to the DMV for her card said AHA!! and started calling the press and every politician they had phone numbers for. Any normal person would have been required to call the state (or county) where she got married and get a copy of her marriage license, but she was able to play the poor and elderly card.

My personal opinion on this is that voter ID cards should be phased in slowly. Start "requiring" them, but anyone who doesn't have an official card gets to either vote absentee (default in TN) or cast a provisional ballot the same day. The default for ALL provisional ballots is that they get counted unless it can be proven that it was cast in error. This should be in effect for at least two national elections (4 years apart), which would also include multiple local and state elections. The third national election, at least 8-10 years after the policy was implemented, would fully require a valid ID before voting was allowed, with an exception for the elderly. Anyone over the age of, say, 85 would be exempt from picture voter ID laws. For anyone else, if you aren't paying enough attention to get a card in 8-10 years, then you aren't paying enough attention to vote.
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