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Old 06-04-2013, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Well sure. It would have been better not to have married a filthy layabout, but clearly you didn't know that at the time.
9 times out of 10 anything you "didn't know" is your own fault because you ignored the huge red flags flapping in the breeze.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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How many women actually agree to pre nups?
If he actually had a significant amount of money entering into the relationship, he'd be remiss to not ask for one. That's just common sense. But I know a lot of women would get their feelings hurt over that. It's a mix bag.

Still, if she wouldn't agree to sign one and you have money, I'd take that as a red flag and not marry her.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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That may be the law but it is unethical in my opinion. You should get what you you put into something. No more or less. If a guy mooches off his wife and they divorce, he should get 0% of anything.
True, it's unethical, but people do it. They take advantage of the law.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:13 PM
 
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The circumstance of each marriage and divorce is different so there is no real right or wrong answer to your question.
Too many variables and not enough details from both sides and the middle to even hint at making a well informed decision.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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..in a divorce just for being there? If your husband/wife spent the entire marriage mooching off of you (no steady income, never had kids to raise, didn't do much around the house,etc), do they deserve anything? I say hell no.
If you have looked at your partner in marriage as a mooch...small wonder you are divorced! Not everyone has to have a "steady income" to qualify for mating. Marriage is not to see what one person can get from the other. There are situations where one spouse has nothing and the other has the ability to acquire money...what are you supposed to do...say "your fired" from the marriage because you failed to produce wealth? What happened to "for richer or poorer and in sickness and health"?? If you are a man and you sleep with your wife and have sex..whether she is a provider of material wealth or not - You pay for that privilege. If you part - you pay your bill - which is half of everything you both owned.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:14 PM
 
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The only thing they deserve is stuff they had before the wedding. Everything else should be decided by lawyers, to make things fair.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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The only thing they deserve is stuff they had before the wedding. Everything else should be decided by lawyers, to make things fair.
Oh God, that attitude is what ties up courts. Most people were couples before they got married. People lie. And people forget. It only makes sense when there is a large discrepancy between incomes when they got married. Then it's time for a prenup.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:24 PM
 
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9 times out of 10 anything you "didn't know" is your own fault because you ignored the huge red flags flapping in the breeze.
That's probably because you were blinded by love.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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..in a divorce just for being there? If your husband/wife spent the entire marriage mooching off of you (no steady income, never had kids to raise, didn't do much around the house,etc), do they deserve anything? I say hell no.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that, unless of course you are talking about celebrityville and the very rich. Divorce attorneys will always disagree with it.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:41 PM
 
Location: SW of Boston
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Granted, there are bad men and women on both sides of the divorce. But for all those relatively good guys who get a divorce which they didn't deserve, the net result is a large of men hesitant to try another marriage. So you have women waiting for him to propose but because of the "50-50" legal culture, he won't do it.

Women have the luxury of "getting bored" with their man. If there are no kids involved, he's loses his wife PLUS loses half his assets. That infuriates and embitters thousands of men who then refuse to get remarried or don't even try dating again. And lots of good women miss out on landing a new marriage which they might get if there wasn't the 50-50 threat. The good women are punished by the actions of the "50-50" women. Sisters, unite!!!

Why hasn't the culture abolished marriage when there are no kids?? Women still badly want marriage for security, faithfulness, support, etc. But most will not reciprocate by giving up their legal right to the 50-50. And in case they don't want to screw their ex, their lawyers finish the job. The result?? P**sed-off males determined to never marry again!!
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