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Old 06-10-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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Doesn't the Declaration of Independence state that our rights come from God? Wasn't the Declaration signed by many of the same men who signed the Constitution? Didn't the writer of the Constitution state that religion is the only solid basis of good morals, and that [public/government]education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man toward God? What's more, another founder on the supreme court said that you couldn't separate human law from divine law. They were inseparable.

You've really got a weak argument if you claim that God has no place in our government, especially when:

1) 238 of 250 founding fathers were Christians, many of them founders of Bible societies, track societies, Sunday School associations, hymn books and the like.

2) The same founders signed a Declaration of Independence that states that our rights from God, and of which acknowledges the Creator.

3) These same founders then go on and write a Constitution, of which incorporates the ideas that God is the basis for our foundation of law.

4) These same founders, especially those of the judicial branch, who interpret the law, state that you can't separate God's law from human law. This, after the signing of the Constitution, of which they signed.

Weak argument, bud. You have nothing of substance, and you know it, but like all the people who want to deny our Christian heritage, you figure that if you twist reality enough, that people will simply believe you. Trust me, it isn't working. You figure that most people aren't educated enough about their history, that you can tell lie after lie and not be called on it, but I won't let you get away without the truth being told.
The DOI declared the intent to establish a new nation separate from England - it is not the defining document of the US.

You can babble on and on about what was in the hearts and minds of the founders, but the ONLY thing that matters are the actual words those founders used in the document that provides the foundation for all US laws. The word "god" is not mentioned even once.

The truth is, if there had been an intent on the part of the founders that laws of the new nation of the United States of America be based on a god, it would have been written in the Constitution. It wasn't.

Your entire post = fail
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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Creator, is all encompassing.
There is no mention of a creator in the Constitution.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:37 AM
 
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There is no mention of a creator in the Constitution.
Technicality perhaps but.......

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:40 AM
 
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They cut this kid's mic off because he deviated from the "approved" speech during his valedictorian speech.

School Strikes Back at Valedictorian
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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Right, you just made it up. I thought so. As I said I have read a lot on it and I've never seen any such claims. I can not look up what is not there.

I have read in many places though that Obama is a Muslim so that must make it so.
Opinion: Was George Washington a Christian?

Above article addresses GW's religious views - with documentation.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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Wink School bans prayer to appease atheists. Then along comes this Valedictorian *video*

Such a foolish contradiction.

"I'm going to break the rules to show everyone I'm part of the Christian collective."

Was Jesus a whiner?

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Old 06-10-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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Technicality perhaps but.......

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
Greater minds than ours have already addressed this point. Again, with documentation: The Way of Improvement Leads Home: The U.S. Constitution and "the Year of our Lord"
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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They cut this kid's mic off because he deviated from the "approved" speech during his valedictorian speech.

School Strikes Back at Valedictorian
A school that enforces its rules and levies pre-determined consequences -
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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Opinion: Was George Washington a Christian?

Above article addresses GW's religious views - with documentation.
The article picks a bogus argument to start from.

In recent years, Washington's faith has become heavily politicized. It is often used to promote a particular political platform in the present. The argument goes something like this: "If George Washington was a Christian, then America must be too" or "If Washington was not a Christian, then he must have desired the United States to be a secular nation."

Very few argue that Washington's beliefs are representative of what the country was designed to be.

Washington often referred to God with descriptive labels such as the "Governor of the Universe," "Providence" or the "Great Ruler of Events," but he never used the name "Jesus Christ" in his public or private writings. We know from eyewitness accounts that he was a man of prayer, but he rarely wrote about his inner devotional life.

I only have to provide one example to show where an article wasn't real concerned over doing a proper representation of his writings.

You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.

George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XV (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 55.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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The DOI has no legal basis, we werent even a country when it was written.
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