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Old 06-29-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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With a raised seal? Where is the proof?
Judge Malihi has it.

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Great! When can I expect to examine an actual certified Obama COLB or LFBC, raised seal intact?
You seem unclear on the concept. Let me spell it out for you.

You will never, ever get "to examine an actual certified Obama COLB or LFB."
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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With a raised seal? Where is the proof?

Great! When can I expect to examine an actual certified Obama COLB or LFBC, raised seal intact?
Both images show a hint of the raised seal. Scans typically do not capture the seal very well. Of course the photographs of both documents show the raised seal.

Now what?

Another myth busted? See how fear and hatred can lead to a very unsupportable position?
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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They apparently never asked.
Noone really doubted that our President was natural born of course. That was just a silly election ploy. Note that no president really has presented their long form birth certificates to Congress for inspection.

But I understand why some would want to check our latest President... Such follies.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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They were living at two different addresses. That sound pretty single to me.
Not according to the newspaper birth announcements.

And not according to HI Governor Abercrombie.
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Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/25/us/25hawaii.html?_r=0
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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Scans typically do not capture the seal very well.
That's exactly why scans aren't certified copies of birth certificates.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Not according to the newspaper birth announcements.
The newspaper announcement shows where she was living. It agrees with the birth certificate. It is birther research (i.e. Jerome Corsi of WND) that has established that Obama Senior had a different address.

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And not according to HI Governor Abercrombie.
Abercrombie says exactly nothing about where either of them were living.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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That's exactly why scans aren't certified copies of birth certificates.
And yet... birthers are accusing Obama of forgery based on a scan.

You guys really have a hopeless time keeping your convoluted hypotheses straight.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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Not according to the newspaper birth announcements.

And not according to HI Governor Abercrombie. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/25/us/25hawaii.html?_r=0
The birth announcements just report on the father and mother, as reported to the Department of Health.

It is pretty well established where Mr and Mrs Obama spent their times, in different residences.


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Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events.
Cool, so they did make some initial efforts but we know how Mrs Obama left for Washington soon thereafter, and how Mr Obama moved on himself.

But I am glad to hear that you accept President Obama's birth on Hawaiian soil.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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And yet... birthers are accusing Obama of forgery based on a scan.

You guys really have a hopeless time keeping your convoluted hypotheses straight.
Yes, the internal inconsistencies should have been a warning.

And no, a scan is not a certified copy, but a scan establishes the existence of such a copy, just as was verified by the Department of Health of Hawaii.

While some birthers believed that the highly compressed document was fraudulent, I have shown how a simple workflow of emailing a scan from a Xerox workcenter creates all these artifacts. No surprise that the WH actually used such a Xerox Workcenter to scan in the president's tax returns as well.

Hilarious...

Now even the highly compressed document is no longer fraudulent... Expect a quick moving of the goal posts by those who are allergic to facts that contradict their position.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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The newspaper announcement shows where she was living. It agrees with the birth certificate. It is birther research (i.e. Jerome Corsi of WND) that has established that Obama Senior had a different address.


Abercrombie says exactly nothing about where either of them were living.

Yes, note how birthers declared the address to be fraudulent until someone actually established that Mrs Obama had lived at said address...

Mr and Mrs Obama did live in separate residences and she moved to Washington with Obama Jr soon thereafter.

Are people so unfamiliar with the timeline?
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