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Old 07-01-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Indeed, it is.

Yet some are still struggling with the facts out of some kind of bizarre misguided devotion. The cognitive dissonance is absolutely stunning to behold.
Absolutely stunning.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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Absolutely stunning.
Exhibit A - Submitted for your approval.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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The State Department is expressly stating that their statutory rulings are irrelevant to actually determining who is a natural-born citizen.
Only in your imagination. You're adding your own biased internal dialog to the statement.

The actual statement is thus:

"In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Only in your imagination. You're adding your own biased internal dialog to the statement.

The actual statement is thus:

"In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
You go girl!

I love clarity back up with fact.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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Only in your imagination. You're adding your own biased internal dialog to the statement.

The actual statement is thus:

"In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
STATE DEPARTMENT comments about their own rulings.

They are saying that their rulings aren't relevant to the Constitutional purpose of defining who is and who isn't a natural-born citizen.

Why do you think that is?

Maybe because they are not in the branch of government that makes laws, nor in the branch of government that interprets laws????

Do you know of ANY Constitutional Purpose besides Presidential eligibility that it's necessary to determine if someone is a natural-born citizen? ANY Constitutional Purpose at all?
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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Absolutely stunning.
agreed.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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The cognitive dissonance is absolutely stunning to behold.
cognitive dissonance noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919–89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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STATE DEPARTMENT comments about their own rulings.
They don't say anything about "their rulings." They're talking about statutes.

The actual statement is thus:

"In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

How delusional are you?
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they are not in the branch of government that makes laws
Agree.
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nor in the branch of government that interprets laws
Already proven false.

To wit:

Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.

Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Digest of the International Law of the United States
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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cognitive dissonance noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information.
Exactly. I've posted A LOT of information that is new to you, and you STILL inexplicably cling to delusional beliefs.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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Exactly. I've posted A LOT of information that is new to you, and you STILL inexplicably cling to delusional beliefs.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/30274361-post623.html
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