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Gurney you hit it on the head: when substitutes for marital sex are widely available at reasonable prices, the demand for marital sex becomes more price elastic and if they are close substitutes and the price of porn and hookers is low enough compared to marital sex, there will be a substantial decrease in the consumption of marital sex by men. This is bad for women because it amounts to sex becoming generally less scarce (they would say sacred) for men and the maritally-aspiring woman also loses her control over the commodity. So, if they can't win in the market, they turn to the political system to ban it.
This has never had much effect on me, however, because I pick "easy" women to love. It's so much....easier.
Many a sexually frustrated man could have (at least temporarily) relieved his sexual frustration by visiting a sex worker if sex work were legal in the U.S outside of some counties in Nevada. Clearly, a legal option of buying sex is denied to U.S men everywhere.
I've come across many debates online regarding proposals to legalize prostitution, and they almost end with these conclusions: The moral police should stay out of people's personal lives, it would be safer for all if prostitution were legal (in terms of crime and terms of disease,) it could be taxed, etc. Yes, the logic is clear, yet the resistance to legalizing prostitution remains, and is almost unthinkable in many communities. People dismiss that as a consequence of religion/prudery, but I believe the resistance emerges from a source deeper than that. It is emerges from women's fear of sexual competition.
In short, no wife or girlfriend wants her significant other to have the option of easy available sex with other women. Sure, women may appreciate it if their men are desired by other women, but they certainly don't want their men to be able to easily "get" with other women. That would fundamentally undermine to some extent a fundamental aspect a woman brings to the table in a relationship: Sexual access to her body.
This explains why the biggest agitators against prostitution in the U.S were women, and why the practice became illegal roughly around the same time that women were given the vote.
Legalizing prostitution, then, would require asking women to collectively make sex cheaper, but no woman ever wants to do that in her milieu. Women are a cartel when it comes to sex and they loathe members that give it away too easy -- be it a good old regular "easy" girl or a prostitute.
In conclusion: Prostitution is illegal because it's a way for women to limit men's sexual options as to increase an average woman's sexual value. Everything put up in defense of criminalization -- be it human trafficking or pimps or whatever -- is an excuse, not the real reason.
The best thing for woman in a relationship to do is be a dirty, filthy sl*t in the bedroom and a lady everywhere else. Then us men never even consider turning to a hooker.
Many a sexually frustrated man could have (at least temporarily) relieved his sexual frustration by visiting a sex worker if sex work were legal in the U.S outside of some counties in Nevada. Clearly, a legal option of buying sex is denied to U.S men everywhere.
It is illegal, as it should be. It's his own fault; social skills can be learned for free.
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And you can hardly blame 19th-century Victorian morality entirely on women being jealous. At the time the Comstock laws were passed, there were serious issues about the crime, the rampant (and untreatable at the time) sexually transmitted diseases, and the human trafficking involved.
Most modern feminists believe that prostitution should be legal and well-regulated. They don't so much care about how easy it is for guys to have sex for money as much as they care that the women involved are safe, healthy, and operating without coersion.
I don't see how is legalizing this is even supporting the feminists' cause. The sexualization/objectifying women in the media is already a huge problem in this society, and since that's one of the many things feminists are fighting against, I would think legalizing prostitution would be a step backward. People should be treated with some respect, not property for sex to be paid for.
It is illegal, as it should be. It's his own fault; social skills can be learned for free.
I don't see how is legalizing this is even supporting the feminists' cause. The sexualization/objectifying women in the media is already a huge problem in this society, and since that's one of the many things feminists are fighting against, I would think legalizing prostitution would be a step backward. People should be treated with some respect, not property for sex to be paid for.
The real reason women are against prostitution is that it empowers gold-diggers who would desire to live off a man's labor through his hard working and studying and sacrifice of his time in a job.
Women love having the choice to go to work for a living OR to stay at home all day and play on the computer, beach and spas during the weekdays.
Men have only one choice, which is to work, whether he likes it or not. Women have the choice, men don't, stay at home dads are very rare. No woman would actually pay for a husband to stay at home when she can get a millionaire if she's able to, or the next best thing.
In a situation where prostitution is illegal, a man who would ordinarily patronize prostitutes won't have that option, which means that this sex-crazed man would have NO CHOICE BUT to adhere to the wishes and whims of the woman he is trying to court when she's in the position of the gatekeeper. And as the gatekeeper, she can then subsequently set income requirements for access (dating, her staying at home doing nothing unlike men who can't get away with that, etc).
Prostitution being illegal empowers anybody who aspires to be a gold-digger, or anyone who aspires to be lazy, or to get a higher standard of living not commensurate with her own education or hours spent at work (for example, my 23 year old friend who looks like Cheryl Cole who is absolutely clueless of Wall Street, but her 41 year old husband is an associate director at Solomon Page earning $250K a year. What is the 23 year old hot woman offering to get $250K a year, which is equal to his marketable job skills?)
It basically raises the demand-side as well as the supply-side of the dating scene of horny men. And that gives women power to set the rules for income requirements. It is a form of economics in lieu of actual job skills in the economy. And anyone who admits to this sexual machination is honorable, as opposed to those who are angry just because it's brought up, living a life of expediency and easiness and molly-coddling all along the way.
I'm not even begrudging women for taking advantage of a supply & demand scenario that favors them, because any man with power would take advantage too when he has power in the business world (aka giving free internships, or raising hours of employees in a bad economy, knowing they have few options in the open market). I don't begrudge women, but I speak the truth.....not caring about the cognitive dissonance that would exist which stunts people's facing of reality.
If there was one gas station in town charging 4 dollars of gas in a town............and then another gas station opened up and it was charging 3.50 a gallon, would anybody go to the first gas station UNLESS the first station brought down it's prices? HELL NO.
The same with gold-diggers.
If a woman required that a man was very very rich so she can eventually quit her job, aren't prostitutes a threat to the price she's charging for dating/relationship/sex, just as in the gas station example?
PROSTITUTES THREATEN HER ABILITY to quit her job under a man's dollar, and this enrages women to no end. It's like the puzzle pieces neatly fit together when you think about why there's so much resistance against prostitution
The more prostitutes exist, the more a woman has to go out in the world by herself and GET A JOB, and less free money as a security blanket.
The money she would have acquired from a much richer man would go into the prostitute, instead of her inflated joint bank account. That's money the typical woman loses. NO BUSINESS VENTURE WANTS TO LOSE MONEY.
Trust me, almost all women I know in the big city after college LOVE SHOPPING IN BLOOMINGDALES, SAKS FIFTH AVENUE and spend their weekdays in "Yoga" and "Mind Body Spas" to "find themselves"....all while I and their husbands toil away all day abused by our bosses. Why go to work when they can just perpetuate their lives being taken care of by someone else (from their mommy and daddy to a horny man) and there's ZERO STIGMA FOR THESE WOMEN'S IDLE LIVES???? (but if a man did the same thing by a woman, he's now a loser but not her)
I am not saying that there are no women that work. But there are plenty who take advantage of gender roles to be lazy forever, and only admit they chill and idle around to their girlfriends instead of their husbands and people who are critical of it (then they defend themselves or lie and say they did so much).
First of all, you have no proof at all that women are the ones clamoring against prostitution. I'm a married woman who wholeheartedly believes that it should be legalized, taxed and regulated. Had you suggested that conservative Christians are driving the continued criminal status of prostitution, you would likely find plenty of actual, verifiable connections.
I'm not saying that women go around honestly justifying the real reason they prefer the prohibition against prostitution. I'm not even sure if these reasons are clear to women themselves. But it is a fact of human nature that women loathe sl*ts. Sl*t shaming is almost an entirely female driven phenomenon, because while a woman may not really have a problem with women who are "easy" in general, they inescapably have a problem with women who are easy in their milieu for reasons of sexual competition. Easy women are almost always shamed by other women who wish they wouldn't give it away so easily and cheapen sex in their social environment, and prohibiting prostitution is a way to make sex more expensive in a particular environment. Again, these reasons may not even be clear to women themselves, but it's what's behind the moral outrage and agitation against this age old institution.
I don't see how is legalizing this is even supporting the feminists' cause. The sexualization/objectifying women in the media is already a huge problem in this society, and since that's one of the many things feminists are fighting against, I would think legalizing prostitution would be a step backward. People should be treated with some respect, not property for sex to be paid for.
Both the feminists and the religious right have their own rationalizations for prohibiting sex for money but it ultimately amounts to the same thing: Thumping the scale of sexual economics in favor of the average woman.
Gurney you hit it on the head: when substitutes for marital sex are widely available at reasonable prices, the demand for marital sex becomes more price elastic and if they are close substitutes and the price of porn and hookers is low enough compared to marital sex, there will be a substantial decrease in the consumption of marital sex by men. This is bad for women because it amounts to sex becoming generally less scarce (they would say sacred) for men and the maritally-aspiring woman also loses her control over the commodity. So, if they can't win in the market, they turn to the political system to ban it.
This has never had much effect on me, however, because I pick "easy" women to love. It's so much....easier.
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The sexualization/objectifying women in the media is already a huge problem in this society, and since that's one of the many things feminists are fighting against, I would think legalizing prostitution would be a step backward. People should be treated with some respect, not property for sex to be paid for.
