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Old 06-10-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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The reports YOU QUOTED indicates fraud.. Do you not comprehend what you quoting?
Fraud in the sense that they were ineligible for the program and participated in the program. Yes on a basic level that is fraud, but that isn't what we are discussing.

Many Americans buy things online and don't pay sales taxes on their purchases. Those Americans are supposed to declare those purchases online and pay the sales taxes when they file their taxes but that doesn't happen mostly because of ignorance on the part of tax payers.

So those tax payers in their ignorance are committing fraud, but do you consider them to be committing fraud, does any reasonable person?

Do writers/reporters write stories of taxpayers defrauding the government out of taxes on internet purchases because that is what is occurring?

Of course not.

This thing happens all the time when you have eligibility requirements for various government programs, people believe they are eligible are encouraged to sign up and in this case it seems that a small percentage 9 percent aren't eligible.

This doesn't mean those people were out to commit fraud. And you know that is how conservatives are using that term that these criminal immoral poor people are gaming the system for their own benefit and knowingly cheating the government.

 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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Fraud in the sense that they were ineligible for the program and participated in the program. Yes on a basic level that is fraud, but that isn't what we are discussing.
yes it is..
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
Fraud in the sense that they were ineligible for the program and participated in the program. Yes on a basic level that is fraud, but that isn't what we are discussing.

Many Americans buy things online and don't pay sales taxes on their purchases. Those Americans are supposed to declare those purchases online and pay the sales taxes when they file their taxes but that doesn't happen mostly because of ignorance on the part of tax payers.

So those tax payers in their ignorance are committing fraud, but do you consider them to be committing fraud, does any reasonable person?

Do writers/reporters write stories of taxpayers defrauding the government out of taxes on internet purchases because that is what is occurring?

Of course not.

This thing happens all the time when you have eligibility requirements for various government programs, people believe they are eligible are encouraged to sign up and in this case it seems that a small percentage 9 percent aren't eligible.

This doesn't mean those people were out to commit fraud. And you know that is how conservatives are using that term that these criminal immoral poor people are gaming the system for their own benefit and knowingly cheating the government.
You're such an idealist. It's fraud but not real fraud. What..they didn't really mean to apply for 5 phones ?
41% were dropped ..nearly half the subscribers to the Lifeline program were dropped.
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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Actually what they said which started all of this crap is that they were 1-2 years old at the time... Are you telling me babies have a comprehension of government funded phones?
And how old were they on Jan. 20, 2009, when the program suddenly became fraudulent overnight?
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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And how old were they on Jan. 20, 2009, when the program suddenly became fraudulent overnight?
Is Reagan to blame because that is the topic of the thread...
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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Is Reagan to blame because that is the topic of the thread...
And Bush came into the convo because someone noted that that's when the program exploded into cellphones. I'm just following along!
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And how old were they on Jan. 20, 2009, when the program suddenly became fraudulent overnight?
The move to cellphones without the planning for accountability.
The FCC did poor planning but the outrage didn't start until the costs skyrocketed.

The outrage got the FCC to do an audit and reform the program.
Now the telecoms can check a database to see if the applicant already has a free phone with another carrier.
And the FCC can now check that the telecoms are doing income verification.

41% of subscribers were dropped. That's a savings of nearly $1 billion.
The public outrage worked to reform the program.
And we should be glad because the future is Connecting America and a move to smartphones and data plans.

I don't understand why people have a problem with public outrage of the cost of programs that have no accountability.
Can't you see it worked to reform the Lifeline program ? The poor are still getting their phones and those that tried to scam the system were shut out.
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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And Bush came into the convo because someone noted that that's when the program exploded into cellphones. I'm just following along!
I'm not sure why Bush came into the conversation because it didnt explode until 2009.
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:41 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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They were not cell phones in 1985. They were a basic LAND LINE with a dial tone intended for people to have a number where employers could find them.

Cell phones for dead-beats are used to conduct illegal activity.
But of course land-lines for dead-beats were NEVER used to conduct illegal activity, eh?

WHAT a bunch of typical self-Righteous hypocrisy.

Why not be honest and give us the base-line self-Righteous hypocrisy, that:

"Reagan did no wrong

Obama has done no right"
 
Old 06-10-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Public outrage got the program audited and fixed.
Why do you have a problem with that ?
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