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This issue isn't a right/left issue but rather a right (not politically right)/wrong issue. Both sides should be horrified by it.
This debate (security v. freedoms) has been going on for hundreds of years.
The Alien and Sedition Acts passed in 1798, authorized the president to imprison or deport aliens considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" and restricted speech critical of the government.
Obama is what a liberal needs to happen to achieve what they desire. The problem is, liberals are so out of touch with their own ideal that they do not realize that what they want to achieve can not be achieved without the methods that he is applying.
Seriously, please don't tell me liberals are so friggen stupid that they don't even understand what Marx was teaching? How can an entire group of people be so clueless to think that what they want could be achieved without the steps Marx outlines?
Did you somehow think taking a country founded on individual liberty could be simply "convinced" without force or duress to give up their liberty to follow some collectivist ideal?
Your first fallacy is looking at Socialism and liberalism as one of the same thing. They aren't the same. Socialists believe that there shouldn't be private ownership of the means of production. Liberals believe in a private-enterprise economy, where society’s affluent are taxed to pay for a social safety net to help the less fortunate. That isn't Socialism. It's ironic that one uses the term "friggen stupid."
You also write about some mysterious goal that liberals want to achieve without mentioning what that goal might be. As a liberal, I am curious as to the goal I am expected to achieve.
Liberals are confused. We aren't talking about classical liberalism, we are really talking about progressivism which is nothing more than a word change for marxist/socialist/communist ideals. The problem with liberals is they really don't have any solidity to a position. They have lots of wants, desires, and those cross over various means of political focus. They are the gypsies of the political spectrum, unwilling to admit to any given focus and changing from one to another based on a given current desire.
As I said, liberals are angry that they aren't getting what they want and angry about the actions taken to give them what they want. Frankly, they are confused idiots.
Let's just be happy the ACLU is taking up this issue.
You guys really need to stop using the con/libe dem/rep rhetoric if your wanting people to come together. Our greatest defense is ditching the parties and coming together.
The parties are coming together... they're the ones that need to be ditched.
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