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Old 06-12-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: texas
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It's the same as the 60's except on steroids...
It's not the same as the 60's. The "spying" may be more widespread today, but is far more innocuous than the type of focused and sinister spying that was going on in the 60's.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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The Guardian says it has more. Hopefully they won't wait too long before publishing it.
The more they uncover and tell us the more sheep that will wake up.

I love that picture!
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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No government should ever be trusted
Seems that was the intent of the Founders with the Constitution and Bill of Rights we have today.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Seems that was the intent of the Founders with the Constitution and Bill of Rights we have today.

What was it that I heard... that 56% of Americans are OK with the government spying on their fellow citizens to catch potential terrorists? To me that tells me that a lot of people in this country seem to think that the US Constitution is just an outdated piece of paper! Quite sad.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:01 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Never have and never will. And those who do are gullible to say the least.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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I do....... Hippys are the fools running this country now..... They cut their hair and rejected their supposed values they had back then and have ruined a few generation of younger people, not to mention the 17 trillion debt the unborn already OWE!

These flower children are nothing more than money grubbers now.......
Hippies became war mongoring, Corporatist bigbrother loving neoprogs/cons?

I do not think so.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Hippies became war mongoring, Corporatist bigbrother loving neoprogs/cons?

I do not think so.
Nope, although I do know a few from Kent State who became teabaggers.
Only a handful out of the hundreds I knew/know.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It's not the same as the 60's. The "spying" may be more widespread today, but is far more innocuous than the type of focused and sinister spying that was going on in the 60's.
Think about this, back in the '60's when the "focused and sinister spying" was going on it had to be done by individual people. It took a lot of manpower/time/money so it couldn't be really widespread. Secondly, once the target realized the surveillance was going on it wasn't all that hard to avoid it.

Nowadays it costs little to nothing to focus sinister spying on not just one person or group at a time but on everyone,everywhere at any time.

Back then to read someone's mail took a huge amount of work, they'd have to first get the letters then open them,reseal them then deliver them without leaving a trace. Now? Heck it's a keystroke with nobody the wiser (until now).
Back then it took a team of people to eavesdrop on phones or if they planted a bug. Now? Well again, just a keystroke and it's recorded to hard drives to be keyword analyzed later. As for bugs? Already planted by the subject. Phone,cell,onstar,cable tv,internet tv, alarm systems etc.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Elections and what the people want will carry the day.
C'mon man, you don't believe that do you? Politicians don't listen to the voice of the people because the people are idiots..and we've proven that over and over again. If we don't get our talking points spoon fed to us by our preferred left or right leaning information control machines (aka - all news outlets) we don't know what to do with ourselves.

We allow ourselves to be lied to repeatedly, distracted by sensationalized non-issues, and to be pandered to like we're the lowest common denominator. It's flippin disgusting. And then we have the nerve to be shocked when the beauty pageant winners (we call them elected officials) operate in a manner directly in conflict with what they represented.

I hate to say it, but the problem with American Politics is us, people..not them. Until we demand excellence and integrity, we wil not receive it..just sayin.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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C'mon man, you don't believe that do you? Politicians don't listen to the voice of the people because the people are idiots..and we've proven that over and over again. If we don't get our talking points spoon fed to us by our preferred left or right leaning information control machines (aka - all news outlets) we don't know what to do with ourselves.

We allow ourselves to be lied to repeatedly, distracted by sensationalized non-issues, and to be pandered to like we're the lowest common denominator. It's flippin disgusting. And then we have the nerve to be shocked when the beauty pageant winners (we call them elected officials) operate in a manner directly in conflict with what they represented.

I hate to say it, but the problem with American Politics is us, people..not them. Until we demand excellence and integrity, we wil not receive it..just sayin.

Reps to you! And in other words... we the people get the government that we deserve. I exercise my right to vote during every election, but I no longer vote for candidates from the 2 main parties.
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