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Old 06-14-2013, 06:01 PM
 
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To what degree? I don't know. All I know is that if a person has done his/her time in prison and then gets released, said person needs a job in order to keep himself/herself from going back into crime. If not, then we might as well keep said criminals in prison for the rest of their lives. And consider this, keeping every criminal in prison for the rest of their lives will get expensive(even if you cut all of the good stuff in prison).
That is a bummer for them, but that's what happens - bad decisions have ramifications.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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That is a bummer for them, but that's what happens - bad decisions have ramifications.
But if you have already done your time, shouldn't that be enough?
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:33 PM
 
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But if you have already done your time, shouldn't that be enough?
It's just not that simple a decision to make.
Too many repeat offenders and employers don't want to become victims.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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That is a huge if. If I won a lottery I wouldn't need to work.
The convicted criminal did it the deed. Life sucks when it comes to consequences. There are plenty of low end jobs for those who felt at least at one time laws are for everyone else. I am more concerned about seeing honest people, non-convicts and non-criminals getting good jobs.
The criminal made their own bed.
There might be plenty of low end jobs. However, what if even some of the low end jobs get stricter about who they hire?

I would like to see honest and law abiding people get jobs too. I'm one of those law-abiding persons who is struggling to find a job. However, I would imagine it would be easier for me to get a job than someone with a criminal record. And I'm unemployed(with a college degree).

I do agree with locking up criminals. However, prisoners are going to come out of prison very soon. What do propose should be done with people who are getting released from prison? They do have to come back to society somehow. And what if the person with a criminal record was falsely accused?
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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It's just not that simple a decision to make.
Too many repeat offenders and employers don't want to become victims.
Here is an important question. Why do many criminals repeat their crimes? Which kinds of criminals are the most likely to repeat their crimes?

And consider this. If a criminal is coming back from prison, what do you propose we do, if not give that person a job? Judging from what you have said, one might gather the mentality of "once a criminal, might as well stay in prison for the rest of your life because society won't ever trust you again". Please remember that prison gets quite expensive.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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There might be plenty of low end jobs. However, what if even some of the low end jobs get stricter about who they hire?

I would like to see honest and law abiding people get jobs too. I'm one of those law-abiding persons who is struggling to find a job. However, I would imagine it would be easier for me to get a job than someone with a criminal record. And I'm unemployed(with a college degree).

I do agree with locking up criminals. However, prisoners are going to come out of prison very soon. What do propose should be done with people who are getting released from prison? They do have to come back to society somehow. And what if the person with a criminal record was falsely accused?
Ever tour a prison?
Before I took the job I have now I was accepted to be a corrections Officer. I opted to take a job making toilet paper instead. Better to make toilet paper than to deal with human waste.
There may be some found guilty who are innocent. I would hazard very few percentage wise.
Would I want my wife working with a convicted rapist? NO
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:44 PM
 
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But if you have already done your time, shouldn't that be enough?
That isn't something an employer is taking into consideration - they aren't out to punish a person, they're wondering if that person is going to re-offend and result in a lawsuit (what, you knowingly hired a convicted rapist who then raped a coworker?).

It's a tough job market, and businesses have no problem hiring the employee that will likely cause the fewest problems. It really is that simple.

If you have 100 applicants for 1 job, then you as an employer can afford to get nit picky on these things.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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Here is an important question. Why do many criminals repeat their crimes? Which kinds of criminals are the most likely to repeat their crimes?

And consider this. If a criminal is coming back from prison, what do you propose we do, if not give that person a job? Judging from what you have said, one might gather the mentality of "once a criminal, might as well stay in prison for the rest of your life because society won't ever trust you again". Please remember that prison gets quite expensive.
That's the reality we live in.
For crimes like theft, assault, trafficing....these are hard crimes. Many employers don't want to deal with people with these kids of crimes on their records. And show more than 1 conviction and forget it about finding a job.

Things like DWI and or the lowest level of being caught with drugs (personal level) are acceptable by many employers.

When my son turned 17 I told him in the eyes of the law he was an adult and not to forget that as he was off doing what teenagers do. Getting arrested and thrown into jail will be with you the rest of your life.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Ever tour a prison?
Before I took the job I have now I was accepted to be a corrections Officer. I opted to take a job making toilet paper instead. Better to make toilet paper than to deal with human waste.
There may be some found guilty who are innocent. I would hazard very few percentage wise.
Would I want my wife working with a convicted rapist? NO
I've never been to a prison. However, I have relatives who have done time, and one has been in and out of prison a few times. That one couldn't get a job.

Now rapists, that is a different story. However, in consideration of what you have said, what do you propose we do with convicted criminals(with the exception of rapists and murderers) after they have done their time? What do you propose we do with them once they have been released from prison?

And even if the number of false accusations are small, they do happen. What do you propose we do with those who have been falsely accused?
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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That's the reality we live in.
For crimes like theft, assault, trafficing....these are hard crimes. Many employers don't want to deal with people with these kids of crimes on their records. And show more than 1 conviction and forget it about finding a job.

Things like DWI and or the lowest level of being caught with drugs (personal level) are acceptable by many employers.

When my son turned 17 I told him in the eyes of the law he was an adult and not to forget that as he was off doing what teenagers do. Getting arrested and thrown into jail will be with you the rest of your life.
It might be a hard reality. However, we can't keep people in prison for ever(unless they have committed murder). What do you do with someone who has committed armed robbery and did time for it? You can't keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

Believe me, I believe someone should be thrown in prison if they commit a crime. However, I also know said criminal will come out of prison very soon. What do we do with a person who has come out of prison. The law says we can't keep certain criminals in prison forever(unless they are murderers).

I never committed crimes because I knew that if I went to prison, I could forget about ever living a normal life. Going to prison scares me because I know it will stick on my record for life.
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