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So let us assume, for a moment, that the following statement is actually true:
Caucasians average scores 5% greater than blacks on IQ tests
and that the only valid explanation for this discrepancy is simple, superior genetic intelligence (ie, that the difference lies in nature rather than nurture).
This is irrelevant. And it pisses me off when bigots, both of the overt and subtle manner, both of the simpleminded and faux-intellectual type, fail to recognize the obvious fallacy here, the fallacy of judging individuals by their group associations.
Arguing, for example, that black people should not be allowed to attend university because they're [again, allegedly] intellectual inferior is about as logically coherent as defending a university's choice to automatically admit all Massachusetts applicants and deny all Texan applicants because Massachusetts averages higher grades and standardized test scores. This would mean that a Texan student with a 4.0 GPA and a 2400 SAT score is less qualified than a Massachusetts resident of average intelligence and drive because the latter belongs to a group of overall greater value...how does this make sense?
Likewise, the moron who suggests that women shouldn’t be allowed to hold professions in the STEM fields because they are [allegedly] intellectually inferior insinuates that a female with a doctorate in chemistry from MIT should be glossed over in favor of said moron, who failed algebra. Guilt by association, aka merit by association.
Can this logic not be applied to:
Gays not being allowed to marry because they’d [allegedly] make worse parents than straights on average, even though two straight convicted murderers can tie the knot, while two homosexual, law abiding citizens with presidential medals of freedom cannot.
Women not being allowed to serve in the military because they’re physically weaker…not even one who competes in the MMA and lifts.
So let us assume, for a moment, that the following statement is actually true:
Caucasians average scores 5% greater than blacks on IQ tests
and that the only valid explanation for this discrepancy is simple, superior genetic intelligence (ie, that the difference lies in nature rather than nurture).
This is irrelevant. And it pisses me off when bigots, both of the overt and subtle manner, both of the simpleminded and faux-intellectual type, fail to recognize the obvious fallacy here, the fallacy of judging individuals by their group associations.
Arguing, for example, that black people should not be allowed to attend university because they're [again, allegedly] intellectual inferior is about as logically coherent as defending a university's choice to automatically admit all Massachusetts applicants and deny all Texan applicants because Massachusetts averages higher grades and standardized test scores. This would mean that a Texan student with a 4.0 GPA and a 2400 SAT score is less qualified than a Massachusetts resident of average intelligence and drive because the latter belongs to a group of overall greater value...how does this make sense?
Likewise, the moron who suggests that women shouldn’t be allowed to hold professions in the STEM fields because they are [allegedly] intellectually inferior insinuates that a female with a doctorate in chemistry from MIT should be glossed over in favor of said moron, who failed algebra. Guilt by association, aka merit by association.
Can this logic not be applied to:
Gays not being allowed to marry because they’d [allegedly] make worse parents than straights on average, even though two straight convicted murderers can tie the knot, while two homosexual, law abiding citizens with presidential medals of freedom cannot.
Women not being allowed to serve in the military because they’re physically weaker…not even one who competes in the MMA and lifts.
I do not know where you get your information, but there is no proof that white people are intellectually superior or that women are intellectually inferior. Also there is no proof that gays make worse parents, if anything it is the opposite, they make great parents who raise children that are more accepting of people who are different.
This entire post is pure gibberish. This is not an attack but I would like to be direct. The people who believe the absurdities you are fighting are probably not going to bother with logic, facts, statistics, or anything that does not support prior beliefs. Not to say it is a wasted effort, but the hypothetical universe you constructed does nothing to further your argument/goal. I can help you refine your idea if you would like. PM me if you care.
It looks like the OP may be testing out some new ideas and trying to fit his worldview around some new information. That's a very good thing. Hopefully, as he becomes more comfortable with his new reality, he will be able to shift from an "I can believe this and still hate the real bad guys!" attitude to a more "I can believe this and still be a good guy" way of thinking.
I do not know where you get your information, but there is no proof that white people are intellectually superior or that women are intellectually inferior. Also there is no proof that gays make worse parents, if anything it is the opposite, they make great parents who raise children that are more accepting of people who are different.
My point is that it would be irrelevant even if the many claims made by, for example, anti-gay marriage advocates that homosexual couples make worse parents were true.
And lol @ the argument that I'm contesting a strawman. You do realize that the "<insert group here> is superior to <insert group here>" has been the primary argument used by every bigot group in human history, right? Even today, there are those who hold the "women should not hold professions because they aren't as good at working" viewpoint, or, more commonly, the "gays should not be allowed to adopt children because they're BAAADDD PARENTS!" viewpoint.
Beyond the intolerance and hate espoused by these views...they're highly illogical. These aren't intelligent people, regardless of how much specious, elaborate bull****ting your typical men's rights advocate can spew.
So let us assume, for a moment, that the following statement is actually true:
Caucasians average scores 5% greater than blacks on IQ tests
and that the only valid explanation for this discrepancy is simple, superior genetic intelligence (ie, that the difference lies in nature rather than nurture).
This is irrelevant. And it pisses me off when bigots, both of the overt and subtle manner, both of the simpleminded and faux-intellectual type, fail to recognize the obvious fallacy here, the fallacy of judging individuals by their group associations.
Arguing, for example, that black people should not be allowed to attend university because they're [again, allegedly] intellectual inferior is about as logically coherent as defending a university's choice to automatically admit all Massachusetts applicants and deny all Texan applicants because Massachusetts averages higher grades and standardized test scores. This would mean that a Texan student with a 4.0 GPA and a 2400 SAT score is less qualified than a Massachusetts resident of average intelligence and drive because the latter belongs to a group of overall greater value...how does this make sense?
Likewise, the moron who suggests that women shouldn’t be allowed to hold professions in the STEM fields because they are [allegedly] intellectually inferior insinuates that a female with a doctorate in chemistry from MIT should be glossed over in favor of said moron, who failed algebra. Guilt by association, aka merit by association.
Can this logic not be applied to:
Gays not being allowed to marry because they’d [allegedly] make worse parents than straights on average, even though two straight convicted murderers can tie the knot, while two homosexual, law abiding citizens with presidential medals of freedom cannot.
Women not being allowed to serve in the military because they’re physically weaker…not even one who competes in the MMA and lifts.
Who has actually said blacks should be banned from colleges? I mean, aside from the KKK...
Who has actually said blacks should be banned from colleges? I mean, aside from the KKK...
A large proportion of Americas before the turn of the 20th century?
Of course that is an extreme example by today's standards. But I still hear of people arguing that women should be paid less than men because they allegedly aren't as productive, and that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because they allegedly don't make good parents. The same logic is simply being adapted to whatever civil rights issue conservative want to oppose.
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