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Old 06-14-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I look at Syria and think 'the enemy of my enemy is my enemy' - let's not play that game again.
I couldn't agree more.

All too often the enemy of my enemy is also MY enemy.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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I look at Syria and think 'the enemy of my enemy is my enemy' - let's not play that game again.
We've been bitten by that one plenty of times.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Obama made a colossal, amateurish blunder with his red line talk and had to save face with a gesture of support. Hopefully there will be little if any real aid going to the Sunni rebels. I imagine the Rooskies have been advised of as much and will also do little more than talk tough.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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And what's the justification for aiding the overthrow of another country's government?

There are any number of countries known for human rights violations.

Is it our duty to change them all?

And being there is NO guarantee a new government formed to replace Assad's would benefit the US, WHY?
In foreign policy/national security moves you pick and choose what you can do to strengthen your hand. Russia, Lebanon, and Iran want to see Assad prevail, for me that is enough to aid the rebels.

Is it our duty to change them all? No.

You're right there is no guarantee it will benefit the USA.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Obama made a colossal, amateurish blunder with his red line talk.
As compared to what professional blunders that have been committed in the name of American foreign policy?
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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I agree. I would add that once vaporized (if they so choose), we will not rebuild your country.
Works for me but it might be a tough one to sneak by the construction contractors and their lobbyists.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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Obama made a colossal, amateurish blunder with his red line talk and had to save face with a gesture of support. Hopefully there will be little if any real aid going to the Sunni rebels. I imagine the Rooskies have been advised of as much and will also do little more than talk tough.
Why? He didn't obligate the US military to do any specific thing. He didn't obligate the US period to do anything. He just said look if this is going on, then this is a red line and the US government is going to start looking at and engaging with the Syrian civil war differently.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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Works for me but it might be a tough one to sneak by the construction contractors and their lobbyists.
Ahh. You do have a point. Oh well....
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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As compared to what professional blunders that have been committed in the name of American foreign policy?

Obama does not have a foreign policy - he is butthurt Clinton called him a wuss.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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In foreign policy/national security moves you pick and choose what you can do to strengthen your hand. Russia, Lebanon, and Iran want to see Assad prevail, for me that is enough to aid the rebels.
WHY? Getting involved in a war of no benefit to the US merely to take sides is pretty much cutting off your nose to spite your face, isn't it? Let Assad prevail and let Russia, Lebanon, and Iran spend their blood and $$$ to accomplish that.

Let's at least pretend we may have learned something from our unproductive meddling in The Congo, Chile, Iram, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ad nauseum.



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You're right there is no guarantee it will benefit the USA.
Reason enough to adopt a hands-off policy.
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