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Old 11-06-2007, 01:09 PM
 
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The classroom displays were first suggested by the non-profit group In God We Trust — America Inc., whose president, Jacquie Sullivan, is a Bakersfield councilwoman.

"I encouraged the trustees to put this on the agenda," she said. "It's very important. We need to promote patriotism and promote it in our schools. We can’t just assume that the younger generations are going to have that strong love for God and their country the way the older generations do."

Sullivan's organization has offered to provide funding for the project at Kern.

The councilwoman, who said she is a registered Republican and a Christian who attends a local Baptist church, told FOXNews.com that she has neither a religious nor political agenda in pushing for the measure.
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"no religious nor political agend", LOL, right. Of course this is what she would say, one couldn't actually be honest about these things, right?

Interestingly enough, the same people that support this would be screaming bloody murder if this were coming from a non christian group, promoting for example the worshipping of trees... (now THAT I could go for :-))
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Where is the contradiction? Appearently you seem to feel that young children can face the same issues as adults. There is a big difference between adults and children and what they are exposed to. If you continue to feel there isnt, then there isnt anything else I can say.

It seems that you're saying children have no constitutional protections. Surely you don't mean that.

Schools and government should not show a preference to any religion. That is a matter of the home, family, and churches. Why do people feel they need government endorsement. Why do they feel their faith and god is so weak they need government to help prop it up?

You're certainly entited to your opinion. But opinion does not constitute proof.



You probably wouldn’t know because they are too busy hiding in bathroom stalls.
At their age? Must be constipation.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:09 PM
 
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I believe in God, I DIDN'T vote Bush, and I served my country as many of my family members, and I'm stupid for it and don't belong here? What makes you so deserving to be in the USA over anyone who believes in God?
the US was really founded as a secular country which means if you want to believe in god, do it in your own home
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:24 PM
 
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the US was really founded as a secular country which means if you want to believe in god, do it in your own home
So believe in God in your own home, but when you go to the store then don't believe in God. Got it
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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the US was really founded as a secular country which means if you want to believe in god, do it in your own home
I think some people have religion mixed up with bondage.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Why do "christians" feel they have to push their religion and their "god" on everyone????
I see this on this board again and again. As others have said, how would they feel if islam or hinduism was pushed onto your children? I won't hold my breath for an honest answer on that one.
It's really very simple. It's because the Holy Bible says that the only way to have eternal life is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. We will also be forgivened and redeemed of our sins. You are supposed to have faith in that being true, the Bible commands. The Bible also expects those who are saved to spread the word.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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It's really very simple. It's because the Holy Bible says that the only way to have eternal life is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. We will also be forgivened and redeemed of our sins. You are supposed to have faith in that being true, the Bible commands. The Bible also expects those who are saved to spread the word.
Public school is not the place for you to evangelize.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:38 PM
 
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That's right. But, we don't have the freedom to use public funds to promote one particular religion. Any friendly wagers on whether it will be declared unconstitutional?
Sure friendly wager sounds good.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It's really very simple. It's because the Holy Bible says that the only way to have eternal life is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. We will also be forgivened and redeemed of our sins. You are supposed to have faith in that being true, the Bible commands. The Bible also expects those who are saved to spread the word.
See now that's the problem. You can redeem yourself and your family all you want. But I don't need you spreading your word to my kids, thanks.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:26 PM
 
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The establishment clause prevents the government from endorsing or preferring one religious faith over another or faith over no faith. It does not apply to private companies or individuals. It applies to government action and does apply to public schools and not private schools. Public schools are extensions of the government and the establishment clause does apply.
That would seem an entirely plausible argument...EXCEPT that there were no government-run schools when the Constitution was written!

Also, this is the U.S. Constitution we're talking about—not individual state constitutions. It only applies to the Congress and prevents any Federal religious establishment. Public schools are not Federal entities (thank God!) They are run locally, with state oversight.
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