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Old 06-20-2013, 12:21 PM
 
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It sounds nice in reality for the countries that currently have a universal healthcare system. But it sounds like you prefer our current system where we have millions of Americans without insurance and a system that costs more for the people who do have insurance and is inefficient.
And even with this, we will still have millions and millions uninsured.....so I go back to my original question.

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I thought this was the entire premise of the AHCA? This is what it was sold on, right, to ensure insurance coverage of everyone?

CBO states that 30million + will be the norm.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCover age_2.pdf


Sorry if this is a duplicate thread....
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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Yes, the Senate had the 60 votes needed to pass AHCA without a Public Option, which is what we currently have. The Democrats were shy of a few votes for a filibuster proof bill with the Public Option added in.
So the dems are the one who voted this option out....
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It sounds nice in reality for the countries that currently have a universal healthcare system. But it sounds like you prefer our current system where we have millions of Americans without insurance and a system that costs more for the people who do have insurance and is inefficient.
Well those countries have high taxes, net surpluses and are exporters of goods, not importers.
Americans balked when their 2% FICA got reinstated.

Those socialist type programs depends on a healthy economy and surpluses to pay for them.

The US is up to its eyeballs in debt..both at a government level and individual level.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Care to answer the question below then?
I already answered the question, the Democrats didn't have enough votes to get a filibuster proof bill with Public Option.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:29 PM
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Location: Florida
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Yes, the Senate had the 60 votes needed to pass AHCA without a Public Option, which is what we currently have. The Democrats were shy of a few votes for a filibuster proof bill with the Public Option added in.
Indeed, and beyond that, perhaps the Democrats should have realized that the Republicans had no intention of being responsible legislators, and did away with the filibuster at the beginning of the session, so that they could have passed a public option regardless. However, how was anyone to know that the Republicans would be so grievously irresponsible?
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And even with this, we will still have millions and millions uninsured.....so I go back to my original question.
Well if we had Public Option, we would of had every American covered...the current bill does not do that.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So the dems are the one who voted this option out....
Yes, the Democrats in the Senate removed the Public Option when they realized they did not have the 60 votes needed for a super majority....it is like you weren't paying attention during 2009-10 while all of this was going on.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well those countries have high taxes, net surpluses and are exporters of goods, not importers.
Americans balked when their 2% FICA got reinstated.

Those socialist type programs depends on a healthy economy and surpluses to pay for them.

The US is up to its eyeballs in debt..both at a government level and individual level.
Well that makes sense, so are you saying it would be better to stay the course and continue further away from an efficient healthcare system?
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:34 PM
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Yes, the Democrats in the Senate removed the Public Option when they realized they did not have the 60 votes needed for a super majority....it is like you weren't paying attention during 2009-10 while all of this was going on.
Or just paying attention to that carefully twisted "news" presented on right-wing reactionary services.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Indeed, and beyond that, perhaps the Democrats should have realized that the Republicans had no intention of being responsible legislators, and did away with the filibuster at the beginning of the session, so that they could have passed a public option regardless. However, how was anyone to know that the Republicans would be so grievously irresponsible?
That is true, it is one of the main things that I am still pissed at Harry Reid with not doing.
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