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Originally Posted by natalie469
I wasn't talking about SSA. You were talking about people with bi polar disorder who would just kill themselves anyway. I was disputing that because you really don't know what you're talking about. Bi polar has extreme highs and lows, manic depression only has lows. Bi polar people have no interest in killing themselves though. And bi polar 2 is the hardest to diagnose because it's confused with manic depression. They are treated differently though. So if your an expert in this area then you would know all of this.
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Well, aren't you the hypocrite. I defended you on what you rightly pointed out that you weren't wrong about. Then, you read two lines from me and you can not only judge what I know from that but also do it twice?
I'd love to discuss the merits of what you are saying because I am here to exchange ideas. But I don't chat with people that are judgmental, name callers or generally arrogant. Sorry, I meant ignorant. You don't deserve my reply based on the facts of your post.
First, you weren't even talking about the SSA? Did you suddenly have a lapse and woke up thinking this was a general psych thread?
Madam, you not diddly. When warned of my awesome knowledge on the subject you could have ran to billions of websites about mental illness but you chose to shoot from the hip. And, even though you were the usurper AND you were specifically asked to provide links, you didn't.
Allow me to shoot from the hip. After I do I will go look up what I'm talking about and provide links which you can spend all the time you want disproving but not until you have a chance to do some web searching.
Let's take them in order:
1) First, let me break it to you. There is no such medical diagnosis called "manic depression". I could play games and volley back and forth but I haven't had my popcorn.
2) "Manic depression" means mania + depression or a rotation between the axis of both. Think of the planet with two poles. One poll is positive (mania) and the other side is negative (depression). Depression most of us know and mania is a euphoria that has real world dangers because inhibitions tend to diminish in manic states. People over spend, get involved with risky behavior, and often think and feel as if they are a super hero (not literally). So, if the North pole was depression and the South pole was mania, we've got our planet.
3) Medical science many, many years ago liked the pole analogy. The problem with manic depression is you don't know when it's going to switch. This is very similar to the idea that the magnetic poles of the Earth will reverse eventually.
4). Poles. Two poles. Two = bi. See a trend forming? Bi-polar.
5) The symptoms of bi-polar disease are mania + depression. The mania is often treated with lithium while the depression is often treated with a bunch of different choices.
6) Bi-polar = Manic depression. They are the same thing except one doesn't play as well with Jimi Hendrix. It was changed because it's a more accurate description of what the patient goes though. "Manic depression" has the two elements but if you look at it, it appears to be an adjective describing depression. As in Manic is a type of depression. That isn't true. They are two different things that are polar opposite of each other.
7) You said "
manic depression only has lows". This isn't true and has never been true regardless of the name. And it makes no sense to have "depression" and then "manic depression" if both were only lows.
8)
"Bi polar people have no interest in killing themselves though" also not true. The suicide
ideation can be higher for those suffering from the disorder because they feel they cannot take the cycling between the poles. Or, when they are not depressed they feel they'd rather die than be depressed and then there's the classic wanting to die because you
are depressed. 25% to 50% of bi-polar patients will attempt to kill themselves more than once. Suicide ideation is a common, persistent condition for these individuals and is one reason it is easier for them to get approved for SSDI.
9) "
bi polar 2 is the hardest to diagnose because it's confused with manic depression" - Not accurate since bi polar IS manic depression and bi polar 2 cannot be confused with itself. The difference between BP I and BP II is the length of episodes. There is no difference in the diagnoses difficulty because it's simply a math formula at that point and the criteria for both are contained in the Diagnostics and Statistical Manual for Mental Health.
10) "
They are treated differently though" - untrue. For the most part the same medications are used to treat both forms.
11) "
So if your an expert in this area then you would know all of this" - and you didn't have to make it personal. Just think how different this conversation and our relationship would have been if you would have just said what you thought and asked me for a clarification? Or God forbid a link.